The trans debate

[CEB]

This is a good starting point.
In fact, for now, I’ll limit myself to posting this one

https://open.substack.com/pub/elizamond ... medium=web

[Long slender neck]

Are there people who are convinced they're trans regardless of typical sexed interests? Those that 'just know' they're in the 'wrong body'

Are you seriously suggesting it's not a real thing?

What?

[CEB]

LOL. I really do have to thank activists for working so hard to vindicate my position.
Yes, this is real.
Oh, and obviously, “Sophie” is a man.

[Max Fowler]

This is a good starting point.
In fact, for now, I’ll limit myself to posting this one

https://open.substack.com/pub/elizamond ... medium=web

Ok, so yes, she's saying the same things you say, only less confrontationally and without the anger.

The example tweets she's referenced to support her case are obviously in the wrong.

My view point remains as posted above.

(However I have to admit that up until just now, I had foolishly always assumed 'trans' was short for transition, rather than meaning 'across').

[Max Fowler]

LOL. I really do have to thank activists for working so hard to vindicate my position.
Yes, this is real.
Oh, and obviously, “Sophie” is a man.

Why are you posting a tweet of a person who I think is a monumental bell end and arguing against his point, as if you expect me to be aligned with him? etc etc

[Max Fowler]

But yes, that is all sorts of wrong. Christ.

[CEB]

Re: your first point - yep, that’s fair enough, and I respect your stance there. (I’d be happy to re-adopt that once the extremes of trans activism back the hell off)

Re: the second - it’s mad isn’t it? But the maddest thing is that the venue (in Manchester) doubled down for hours that they were happy to put on the “family show”, and finally cancelled it citing transphobia rather than terrible judgment

[Long slender neck]

What is diaperfur?

[CEB]

What is diaperfur?

I don’t know specifically, but in context, the man at the centre of the story, Sophie, has a fetish for nappies and is also a furry, and he uses photos of real babies as the basis for fetish art in which the babies are altered to be sexualised anthropomorphic animals.
Fun for all the family!

[Max Fowler]

What is diaperfur?

It's to stop the babies wee and poo getting everywhere until they're toilet trained.

[CEB]

lol

[Long slender neck]

What is diaperfur?

I don’t know specifically, but in context, the man at the centre of the story, Sophie, has a fetish for nappies and is also a furry, and he uses photos of real babies as the basis for fetish art in which the babies are altered to be sexualised anthropomorphic animals.
Fun for all the family!

A furry?

[CEB]

Are you not aware of them? Maybe I’m overestimating them cos I moderate an art group and filtering out the furries is the biggest pain in the arse of doing it

[Dunners]

This is a good starting point.
In fact, for now, I’ll limit myself to posting this one

https://open.substack.com/pub/elizamond ... medium=web

Ok, so yes, she's saying the same things you say, only less confrontationally and without the anger.

The example tweets she's referenced to support her case are obviously in the wrong.

My view point remains as posted above.

(However I have to admit that up until just now, I had foolishly always assumed 'trans' was short for transition, rather than meaning 'across').

It's a well written piece. But I think it does challenge the "be kind" position when dealing with self-ID, pronoun declarations etc. Such compliance may be more harmful in the long run, as it helps to normalise certain cult-like behaviours and patterns. Although, I accept that it's a difficult one as I'm not sure everyone adopting a combative stance will help snap the believers out of their trance either.

[CEB]

Have you not seen how well I’ve won hearts and minds?

[Max Fowler]

Wasn't aware of furries.

https://oursaferschools.co.uk/2021/09/24/furries/

[Max B Gold]

Re: your first point - yep, that’s fair enough, and I respect your stance there. (I’d be happy to re-adopt that once the extremes of trans activism back the hell off)

And therin lies the problem with your battle against the activists. It's a tired old trick to focus on the complete nut job and in the process a whole community is condemned. Not just the enemy activists.

That approach opens the door for the haters to pile on.

[CEB]

Once more just for you Max’yyyy; it’s the mainstream of trans activism that is the problem. It’s not a few isolated loons. As I’ve demonstrated, the central demands of mainstream trans activism are seeking to introduce legislation that enables the worst people.

Either actually pay attention or don’t, but I’m over your ill informed brain farts on this.

[Max B Gold]

Once more just for you Max’yyyy; it’s the mainstream of trans activism that is the problem. It’s not a few isolated loons. As I’ve demonstrated, the central demands of mainstream trans activism are seeking to introduce legislation that enables the worst people.

Either actually pay attention or don’t, but I’m over your ill informed brain farts on this.

I thought I had cleared up the activists point already. I agree many of the ones you call mainstream activists have lost the plot. My concern is not for them but the impact both they and you have on the wider community.

[CEB]

“I agree mainstream trans activism is doing harm. Best shut up about it because criticising them is harmful”


Got it

[Max B Gold]

“I agree mainstream trans activism is doing harm. Best shut up about it because criticising them is harmful”


Got it

It's not the mainstream your C&P from Twitter was highlighting.

[CEB]

Yes it is. I’m highlighting not that there is a nonce drawing adult babies, but that an LGBT community venue is confident enough to double down platforming him and accuse all critics of bigotry, in the reasonable expectation that they’ll get away with it.

It’s not my fault you can’t follow an argument

[Max B Gold]

Yes it is. I’m highlighting not that there is a nonce drawing adult babies, but that an LGBT community venue is confident enough to double down platforming him and accuse all critics of bigotry, in the reasonable expectation that they’ll get away with it.

It’s not my fault you can’t follow an argument

That wasnt the impression you were trying to create. That was my point.

[CEB]

Thanks for telling me what my intentions are Max, I really, really appreciate it.

[Max B Gold]

Thanks for telling me what my intentions are Max, I really, really appreciate it.

Thank you for confirming I was correct.