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Re: Israel
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:27 pm
by Harlow
Arabs and Jews have always been at loggerheads. Palestine has had a series of rulers, the Ottomans until Imperialistic GB kicked then out in WW1. That led to the creation of israel under the aspices of League of Nations. 21% of Israelis are Arabs. It doesnt help that Israel has expanded into areas
It captured during war, but is that different to any other country. If the arabs stopped this stupid attitude of wanting to destroy Israel, the Palestians would have a great life, loads of money would be chucked at them, Gaza could become a tourist area, Lebanon would be developed more. But no, a few want to be big dicks. Perhaps someone can tell me just what was in Israel before Israel. Was it a highly developed area or just sand
Re: Israel
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:29 pm
by Harlow
I do think Russia has to be involved. How much have we heard about Ukraine in the last week
Re: Israel
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:40 pm
by Tuffers#2
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 3:11 pm
Who are those people meant to be?
Blinken & Benjamin.
Re: Israel
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:51 pm
by Daily Express bot
Joe315 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:21 pm
Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:15 pm
Joe315 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:09 pm
1500 dead Palestinians siince the retaliation started & the troops with Tanks have entred Gaza, so 1300 Israelis & 1500 Palestinians killed in 5 days. Your side by side peaceful living theory is in Tatters.
You obviously have not read what I posted.
I did say ‘in peaceful times’ and these are not so. The only thing in tatters is your concentration.
11,500 dead Palestinians & 2200 dead Israelis since the year 2000 is Peaceful ? Concentrate on the whole conflict then add on the 3000 dead since Saturday & I will consider taking anything you say in the future seriously.
I believe what my family and friends who live there tell me.
They shop in Palestinian businesses and visa versa.
Re: Israel
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:58 pm
by Tuffers#2
Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:51 pm
Joe315 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:21 pm
Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:15 pm
You obviously have not read what I posted.
I did say ‘in peaceful times’ and these are not so. The only thing in tatters is your concentration.
11,500 dead Palestinians & 2200 dead Israelis since the year 2000 is Peaceful ? Concentrate on the whole conflict then add on the 3000 dead since Saturday & I will consider taking anything you say in the future seriously.
I believe what my family and friends who live there tell me.
They shop in Palestinian businesses and visa versa.
And ? Amnesty gives you all the info you need as does UNHRC.
Re: Israel
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:02 pm
by Proposition Joe
Joe315 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:40 pm
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 3:11 pm
Who are those people meant to be?
Blinken & Benjamin.
Fair enough. Some of these cartoons are terrible, assumed it was Biden.
Re: Israel
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:32 pm
by Tuffers#2
Gaza death toll now 1900 & 7500 injured. 60% of the dead or injured are women & children. Thought it was Hamas being targeted ?
Re: Israel
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:36 pm
by ComeOnYouOs
Joe315 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:32 pm
Gaza death toll now 1900 & 7500 injured. 60% of the dead or injured are women & children. Thought it was Hamas being targeted ?
This response is true evil. Almost 2000 dead, most had nothing to do with the happenings last Saturday. Genocide
Re: Israel
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:40 pm
by Tuffers#2
ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:36 pm
Joe315 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:32 pm
Gaza death toll now 1900 & 7500 injured. 60% of the dead or injured are women & children. Thought it was Hamas being targeted ?
This response is true evil. Almost 2000 dead, most had nothing to do with the happenings last Saturday. Genocide
Both were evil acts, Ceasefire needs to be called.
Re: Israel
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:43 pm
by Neptune's Spear
ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:36 pm
Joe315 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:32 pm
Gaza death toll now 1900 & 7500 injured. 60% of the dead or injured are women & children. Thought it was Hamas being targeted ?
This response is true evil. Almost 2000 dead, most had nothing to do with the happenings last Saturday. Genocide
My Grannie was bombed out of her house in Stepney, she didn't have anything to do with the holocaust, a funny thing war
Re: Israel
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:02 am
by Dunners
Joe315 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:32 pm
Gaza death toll now 1900 & 7500 injured. 60% of the dead or injured are women & children. Thought it was Hamas being targeted ?
Horrific numbers, that will increase.
Are you suggesting that Hamas are not being targeted?
Re: Israel
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:15 am
by Story of O
Won’t most Hamas fighters join the mass exodus?
Re: Israel
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:36 am
by Daily Express bot
Neptune's Spear wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:43 pm
ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:36 pm
Joe315 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:32 pm
Gaza death toll now 1900 & 7500 injured. 60% of the dead or injured are women & children. Thought it was Hamas being targeted ?
This response is true evil. Almost 2000 dead, most had nothing to do with the happenings last Saturday. Genocide
My Grannie was bombed out of her house in Stepney, she didn't have anything to do with the holocaust, a funny thing war
Germany were our enemy , War was declared, we bombed them and they us, Hitler indiscriminately exterminated classes of his own nation. Your Grannie was an innocent victim. Had Hitler succeeded and invaded, he would have set up concentration camps here and carried on with mass extermination of those he considered ‘undesirable’.
Re: Israel
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:41 am
by Tuffers#2
Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:02 am
Joe315 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:32 pm
Gaza death toll now 1900 & 7500 injured. 60% of the dead or injured are women & children. Thought it was Hamas being targeted ?
Horrific numbers, that will increase.
Are you suggesting that Hamas are not being targeted?
Are you suggesting women & children were Hamas Terrorists ?
Re: Israel
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:06 am
by RedDwarf 1881
Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:41 am
Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:02 am
Joe315 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:32 pm
Gaza death toll now 1900 & 7500 injured. 60% of the dead or injured are women & children. Thought it was Hamas being targeted ?
Horrific numbers, that will increase.
Are you suggesting that Hamas are not being targeted?
Are you suggesting women & children were Hamas Terrorists ?
Only going by TV reports but I’m guessing he might mean because they were being used as human shields. Apparently according to somebody on social media who lives near Gaza said Hamas leaders are hiding under a hospital.
Re: Israel
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:55 am
by Dunners
Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:41 am
Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:02 am
Joe315 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:32 pm
Gaza death toll now 1900 & 7500 injured. 60% of the dead or injured are women & children. Thought it was Hamas being targeted ?
Horrific numbers, that will increase.
Are you suggesting that Hamas are not being targeted?
Are you suggesting women & children were Hamas Terrorists ?
No, that's not what I said or implied. I was attempting to ask a genuine question.
Re: Israel
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:57 am
by Wallingford O
I don't think Israel will stop until they have wiped both Gaza and the West Bank from the map, all with the support of the the UK, US and other European nations
Dare to challenge this and you're Antisemitic...
Re: Israel
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 9:02 am
by Tuffers#2
Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:55 am
Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:41 am
Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:02 am
Horrific numbers, that will increase.
Are you suggesting that Hamas are not being targeted?
Are you suggesting women & children were Hamas Terrorists ?
No, that's not what I said or implied. I was attempting to ask a genuine question.
You asked if I was suggesting something. Others on here have stated Israel would be targeting Hamas. 60 % of those killed were women & Children. I Just quoted figures & asked a question.
Re: Israel
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 9:05 am
by Tuffers#2
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:06 am
Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:41 am
Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:02 am
Horrific numbers, that will increase.
Are you suggesting that Hamas are not being targeted?
Are you suggesting women & children were Hamas Terrorists ?
Only going by TV reports but I’m guessing he might mean because they were being used as human shields. Apparently according to somebody on social media who lives near Gaza said Hamas leaders are hiding under a hospital.
Hiding under a Hospital is using women & Children as Human shields ?
Re: Israel
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 9:31 am
by Dunners
Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 9:02 am
Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:55 am
Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:41 am
Are you suggesting women & children were Hamas Terrorists ?
No, that's not what I said or implied. I was attempting to ask a genuine question.
You asked if I was suggesting something. Others on here have stated Israel would be targeting Hamas. 60 % of those killed were women & Children. I Just quoted figures & asked a question.
You did. You quoted civilian casualties followed by questioning if Hamas were the targets. Which is fair enough. I've seen suggestive questions similar to this elsewhere, so was curious as to what possible implications are behind such a comment. I'm genuinely not trying to call anyone out here.
For instance, here are two possible interpretations:
1 - Israel IS targeting Hamas, but the civilian casualties are collateral (I'm not seeking to defend this, BTW)
2 - Israel is bombing civilian areas in the hope that Hamas militants get caught too.
Which of the above do you believe to be the case?
Re: Israel
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 9:57 am
by Tuffers#2
Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 9:31 am
Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 9:02 am
Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:55 am
No, that's not what I said or implied. I was attempting to ask a genuine question.
You asked if I was suggesting something. Others on here have stated Israel would be targeting Hamas. 60 % of those killed were women & Children. I Just quoted figures & asked a question.
You did. You quoted civilian casualties followed by questioning if Hamas were the targets. Which is fair enough. I've seen suggestive questions similar to this elsewhere, so was curious as to what possible implications are behind such a comment. I'm genuinely not trying to call anyone out here.
For instance, here are two possible interpretations:
1 - Israel IS targeting Hamas, but the civilian casualties are collateral (I'm not seeking to defend this, BTW)
2 - Israel is bombing civilian areas in the hope that Hamas militants get caught too.
Which of the above do you believe to be the case?
I havent a clue what Israels thinking is, however UNHRC has condemed Israel numerous times. 45.9 % of all UNHRC condemnations since its formation in 2006 have been issued to Israel. I'm off to work now & then watching the game.
Re: Israel
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 10:04 am
by Max B Gold
Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 9:31 am
Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 9:02 am
Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:55 am
No, that's not what I said or implied. I was attempting to ask a genuine question.
You asked if I was suggesting something. Others on here have stated Israel would be targeting Hamas. 60 % of those killed were women & Children. I Just quoted figures & asked a question.
You did. You quoted civilian casualties followed by questioning if Hamas were the targets. Which is fair enough. I've seen suggestive questions similar to this elsewhere, so was curious as to what possible implications are behind such a comment. I'm genuinely not trying to call anyone out here.
For instance, here are two possible interpretations:
1 - Israel IS targeting Hamas, but the civilian casualties are collateral (I'm not seeking to defend this, BTW)
2 - Israel is bombing civilian areas in the hope that Hamas militants get caught too.
Which of the above do you believe to be the case?
Why do you think the purpose of the bombing is still to do with seeking out Hamas?
Re: Israel
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 10:25 am
by Friend or fart
So Max after all your pontifications:- What is your solution? Don't tell us what's wrong, we know that. How is the situation resolved? Also were we British at fault bombing the Germans? What are your thoughts of the morality of that War?
Re: Israel
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 10:36 am
by Max B Gold
Friend or faux wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 10:25 am
So Max after all your pontifications:- What is your solution? Don't tell us what's wrong, we know that. How is the situation resolved? Also were we British at fault bombing the Germans? What are your thoughts of the morality of that War?
See earlier post regarding immediate action required.
I hardly think a war against a fascist power and their allies is a helpful comparison. What is happening in Israel is a state terrorising a civilian population and bringing the racist ideology of Zionism to its logical conclusion.
I do have moral issues with the bombing of civilians in WW2 when the primary purpose is to terrorise civilians (eg Dresden) and not to target military installations or war industry factories/support services etc.
Re: Israel
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 10:48 am
by Dunners
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 10:04 am
Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 9:31 am
Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 9:02 am
You asked if I was suggesting something. Others on here have stated Israel would be targeting Hamas. 60 % of those killed were women & Children. I Just quoted figures & asked a question.
You did. You quoted civilian casualties followed by questioning if Hamas were the targets. Which is fair enough. I've seen suggestive questions similar to this elsewhere, so was curious as to what possible implications are behind such a comment. I'm genuinely not trying to call anyone out here.
For instance, here are two possible interpretations:
1 - Israel IS targeting Hamas, but the civilian casualties are collateral (I'm not seeking to defend this, BTW)
2 - Israel is bombing civilian areas in the hope that Hamas militants get caught too.
Which of the above do you believe to be the case?
Why do you think the purpose of the bombing is still to do with seeking out Hamas?
What's the alternate?
For what it's worth, I think Israel may be walking into an Islamist trap, and will destabilise the region and western cities for years to come.