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Re: Tory Watch

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:08 pm
by Tuffers#2
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:04 pm Is it also to give Labour an even more f*cked economy and a bad look when they have to role these changes back in a year?
It's the Slytherin way.

Re: Tory Watch

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:59 pm
by StillSpike
Daily Express bot wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:06 pm
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:04 pm Is it also to give Labour an even more f*cked economy and a bad look when they have to role these changes back in a year?
Probably

I think the Inheritance Tax cut will come in the next and final budget before an election. If Labour get in , that will be a tough reversal.
A tax that only affects the richest 4% of estates, and the British public are so easily led into thinking that cutting it is a great act of fairness. I'm quite sure you're correct, and they'll bloody lap it up. We really get the government we deserve.

Re: Tory Watch

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 5:12 pm
by Still's Carenae
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 3:44 pm For someone who knows nothing about Economics. Can someone explain why the government having been saying they can’t give above inflation wage increases as this drives inflation but they can cut NI and give people more money in their pockets?
Having held the personal allowance they are taking £214 away from everybody whose income is above £13600 next year. Added to the £254 they had last year(current).

So if you are on average income you receive around £450 from the NI. However inflation has added £468 over the last 2 years, so we the workers are still £18 worse off.

Hope that explains why he has not given anything away.

Giving people rises above inflation just increases debt as a % of gdp and the interest paid. As we run on a budget deficit.

Re: Tory Watch

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:00 pm
by Daily Express bot
StillSpike wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:59 pm
Daily Express bot wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:06 pm
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:04 pm Is it also to give Labour an even more f*cked economy and a bad look when they have to role these changes back in a year?
Probably

I think the Inheritance Tax cut will come in the next and final budget before an election. If Labour get in , that will be a tough reversal.
A tax that only affects the richest 4% of estates, and the British public are so easily led into thinking that cutting it is a great act of fairness. I'm quite sure you're correct, and they'll bloody lap it up. We really get the government we deserve.
I kind of feel sorry for people who have one house and many beneficiaries and it creeps over the threshold by a couple hundred though.

Re: Tory Watch

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:13 pm
by StillSpike
Daily Express bot wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:00 pm
StillSpike wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:59 pm
Daily Express bot wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:06 pm

Probably

I think the Inheritance Tax cut will come in the next and final budget before an election. If Labour get in , that will be a tough reversal.
A tax that only affects the richest 4% of estates, and the British public are so easily led into thinking that cutting it is a great act of fairness. I'm quite sure you're correct, and they'll bloody lap it up. We really get the government we deserve.
I kind of feel sorry for people who have one house and many beneficiaries and it creeps over the threshold by a couple hundred though.
Why? - they only pay IHT on the couple of hundred. The £500K (double that if they're the last surviving spouse - so that's a cool million) is still tax free.
IHT is the fairest tax going - those leaving the estate don't need it any more, and those receiving it didn't "earn" it. (and it's debateable whether the estate was "earned" - or just a result of asset values increasing - in most cases anyway)

Re: Tory Watch

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:16 pm
by Daily Express bot
StillSpike wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:13 pm
Daily Express bot wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:00 pm
StillSpike wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:59 pm

A tax that only affects the richest 4% of estates, and the British public are so easily led into thinking that cutting it is a great act of fairness. I'm quite sure you're correct, and they'll bloody lap it up. We really get the government we deserve.
I kind of feel sorry for people who have one house and many beneficiaries and it creeps over the threshold by a couple hundred though.
Why? - they only pay IHT on the couple of hundred. The £500K (double that if they're the last surviving spouse - so that's a cool million) is still tax free.
IHT is the fairest tax going - those leaving the estate don't need it any more, and those receiving it didn't "earn" it. (and it's debateable whether the estate was "earned" - or just a result of asset values increasing - in most cases anyway)
See what you mean. I am not up to date with the allowances and have never been given FA . Obviously some do very well out of reductions in I T rates. The extremely wealthy probably put their assets in trusts anyhow.

Re: Tory Watch

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:25 pm
by Dunners
The extremely wealthy hold their assets through off-shore corporations hidden behind nominee directors.

Re: Tory Watch

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:36 pm
by StillSpike
Dunners wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:25 pm The extremely wealthy hold their assets through off-shore corporations hidden behind nominee directors.
So you're saying we should tax all UK property NOT registered to a UK taxpayer at - say - 10% of market value p.a. Fair enough.

Re: Tory Watch

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:39 pm
by Admin
Dunners wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:25 pm The extremely wealthy hold their assets through off-shore corporations hidden behind nominee directors.
So that’s how you’ve been doing it?

Re: Tory Watch

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:41 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
Is there any plan from Starmer/Reeves to improve growth/productivity?

Blair inherited a decent hand from Ken Clarke. Starmer’s spending plans are going to require funding and the tax burden is already at its highest since WW2. Taxing private schools and non doms ain’t going to cover it.

Re: Tory Watch

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:44 pm
by Daily Express bot
Admin wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:39 pm
Dunners wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:25 pm The extremely wealthy hold their assets through off-shore corporations hidden behind nominee directors.
So that’s how you’ve been doing it?
Not me , I haven’t got a pot to pee in 😔

Re: Tory Watch

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:46 pm
by Tuffers#2
Lookiing forward to Pestons Hunt interview tonight.

Re: Tory Watch

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:48 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
Trying radical changes to fiscal policy isn’t acceptable to markets so options that’ll make a material difference to growth are hard to see.

Administrators overseeing managed decline seems the way forward :|

Re: Tory Watch

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:09 pm
by Dunners
StillSpike wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:36 pm
Dunners wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:25 pm The extremely wealthy hold their assets through off-shore corporations hidden behind nominee directors.
So you're saying we should tax all UK property NOT registered to a UK taxpayer at - say - 10% of market value p.a. Fair enough.
Yep. Just need to work out how we enforce it if they're based on overseas jurisdictions, and without spooking the global capital markets to which we are now so exposed (they did bring down the previous PM and Chancellor, after all). But other than that, I'm all for it.

Re: Tory Watch

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:10 pm
by Dunners
Currywurst and Chips wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:41 pm Is there any plan from Starmer/Reeves to improve growth/productivity?

Blair inherited a decent hand from Ken Clarke. Starmer’s spending plans are going to require funding and the tax burden is already at its highest since WW2. Taxing private schools and non doms ain’t going to cover it.
No plan.

We're out of road.

Re: Tory Watch

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:11 pm
by Dunners
Currywurst and Chips wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:48 pm
Administrators overseeing managed decline seems the way forward :|
Actually, scrap my previous comment. There is a plan. It's this^

Re: Tory Watch

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:20 pm
by Daily Express bot
Joe315 wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:46 pm Lookiing forward to Pestons Hunt interview tonight.
Why , are you excited to see Preston’s latest colourful scarf?

Re: Tory Watch

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:34 pm
by Tuffers#2
Daily Express bot wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:20 pm
Joe315 wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:46 pm Lookiing forward to Pestons Hunt interview tonight.
Why , are you excited to see Preston’s latest colourful scarf?
Who is Preston ?

Re: Tory Watch

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:39 pm
by Long slender neck
What would happen if the rich were taxed?

Re: Tory Watch

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:55 pm
by Hoover Attack
They'll take all their assets and jobs abroad and leave us here to rot.

Re: Tory Watch

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:34 pm
by Daily Express bot
Joe315 wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:34 pm
Daily Express bot wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:20 pm
Joe315 wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:46 pm Lookiing forward to Pestons Hunt interview tonight.
Why , are you excited to see Preston’s latest colourful scarf?
Who is Preston ?
Chantelle Houghton’s ex husband, member of
Ordinary Boys band.

Re: Tory Watch

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:40 pm
by StillSpike
Dunners wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:09 pm
StillSpike wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:36 pm
Dunners wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:25 pm The extremely wealthy hold their assets through off-shore corporations hidden behind nominee directors.
So you're saying we should tax all UK property NOT registered to a UK taxpayer at - say - 10% of market value p.a. Fair enough.
Yep. Just need to work out how we enforce it if they're based on overseas jurisdictions, and without spooking the global capital markets to which we are now so exposed (they did bring down the previous PM and Chancellor, after all). But other than that, I'm all for it.
1) The tax is on the property here - not the entity overseas. It's applied as a debt in the land register if it's not paid. In 10 years (at 10% pa) the
country gets to seize the property for the common wealth.
2) These "capital markets" of which you speak seem to be capricious Gods we've chosen for ourselves. We should just tell them to f*** off.

Re: Tory Watch

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:09 pm
by Tuffers#2
Daily Express bot wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:34 pm
Joe315 wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:34 pm
Daily Express bot wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:20 pm

Why , are you excited to see Preston’s latest colourful scarf?
Who is Preston ?
Chantelle Houghton’s ex husband, member of
Ordinary Boys band.
Why have you brought him up ? Is it 1 of your Tony Blackburn jokes ?

Re: Tory Watch

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 6:52 am
by Daily Express bot
Joe315 wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:09 pm
Daily Express bot wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:34 pm
Joe315 wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:34 pm

Who is Preston ?
Chantelle Houghton’s ex husband, member of
Ordinary Boys band.
Why have you brought him up ? Is it 1 of your Tony Blackburn jokes ?
I have a bit in common with Tony Blackburn the Disc Jockey, whose wife slipped off with a man about the house.

My misses ran off with a Jockey with a slipped disc , ended up with the house and I’m not about .

Re: Tory Watch

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:42 am
by Currywurst and Chips
”The net migration figure to the UK for 2022 has been revised upwards to 745,000”


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