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Qatar and Turkey are not exactly trusted third parties in this. Qatar allows Hamas leaders to reside there in luxury, and Erdoğan has close ties to the Muslim Brotherhood (which contributed to the formation of Hamas).
Apart from mista's reply (which I don't think you've addressed) this kind of got lost earlier, but this is an awful comment. You can address the policies of the Netanyahu government and how they have inflamed the situation in Gaza over the past years without reducing it to "the Jews are to blame for Jews dying" and calling certain Jews antisemites.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:50 amIts a strange thing but he worst antisemites are the Zionists. They have brought violence against their fellow Jews on to the streets of Israel.Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:24 amThe consequences of tying in anti Zionism to anti semitism. Silence.
I'm not justifying it, but at its core, war means you prioritise your own citizens lives over those of the people you're fighting. Implicit is the idea that to win against a fanatical opponent, you need unconditional, total victory of the type we secured during WW2.Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 2:19 pm Lol at LSN and CEB - go into Gaza and just kill Hamas
Asking for people to come up with what they should do, I’d be interested to know how bombing of civilians, especially as Hamas apparently doesn’t care about civilians, is ‘stopping Hamas’?
I didn't say that.Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 2:19 pm Lol at LSN and CEB - go into Gaza and just kill Hamas
Asking for people to come up with what they should do, I’d be interested to know how bombing of civilians, especially as Hamas apparently doesn’t care about civilians, is ‘stopping Hamas’?
Which isn't what I said. I'm busy just now and will reply to Mista in due course.Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 2:15 pmApart from mista's reply (which I don't think you've addressed) this kind of got lost earlier, but this is an awful comment. You can address the policies of the Netanyahu government and how they have inflamed the situation in Gaza over the past years without reducing it to "the Jews are to blame for Jews dying" and calling certain Jews antisemites.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:50 amIts a strange thing but he worst antisemites are the Zionists. They have brought violence against their fellow Jews on to the streets of Israel.Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:24 am
The consequences of tying in anti Zionism to anti semitism. Silence.
Got a game to ref, byeeeee.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 2:40 pm I'm busy just now and will reply to Mista in due course.
Paul MasonMistadobalina wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 2:45 pm https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/thi ... its-chaos/
Best article I've read on the situation so far (Paul Mason, so not standard hard right spectator guff).
An MI5 asset.
Always always short term thinking and willy swinging aggressiveness following events like these
I get that - and that’s a nuance that is often overlooked - however, one thing I’ve never really got is the lack of self-awareness from Israel of replicating what happened to the Jews in europe during WWII using the justification that they need to ensure it never happens again…but only to them.Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 2:31 pmI'm not justifying it, but at its core, war means you prioritise your own citizens lives over those of the people you're fighting. Implicit is the idea that to win against a fanatical opponent, you need unconditional, total victory of the type we secured during WW2.Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 2:19 pm Lol at LSN and CEB - go into Gaza and just kill Hamas
Asking for people to come up with what they should do, I’d be interested to know how bombing of civilians, especially as Hamas apparently doesn’t care about civilians, is ‘stopping Hamas’?
There's an enormous amount of Israeli social media content that is out there at the moment linking back what Hamas have done to the holocaust. It's not the best barometer admittedly, but the idea of 'never again' must be incredibly powerful and will justify awful acts in the process. That sense that enough Jewish lives have been lost in the face of total hatred is hardwired into Israel's very existence.
No solutions from me, I find it incredibly depressing and extremist reactions from both israeli's and Palestinians easy to understand.
Then how come so many civilians have die?Long slender neck wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 2:37 pmI didn't say that.Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 2:19 pm Lol at LSN and CEB - go into Gaza and just kill Hamas
Asking for people to come up with what they should do, I’d be interested to know how bombing of civilians, especially as Hamas apparently doesn’t care about civilians, is ‘stopping Hamas’?
It will be extremely complex.
Apparently the bombs have targeted military infrastructure and their tunnel network.
Don't let them win then. Ceasing to kill Palestinians should reduce their credence.Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 4:42 pm Because the Hammas terrorists hide themselves amongst their civilian population.. I am convinced that the more Palestinians killed the better they like it because it gives them more credence.
To think that, you are a very sick individual, but i knew that anyway.Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 4:42 pm Because the Hammas terrorists hide themselves amongst their civilian population.. I am convinced that the more Palestinians killed the better they like it because it gives them more credence.
Never heard of human shieldsComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 5:48 pmTo think that, you are a very sick individual, but i knew that anyway.Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 4:42 pm Because the Hammas terrorists hide themselves amongst their civilian population.. I am convinced that the more Palestinians killed the better they like it because it gives them more credence.
Your Zionist pals have committed a series of war crimes this week, far worse than what Hamas did, and that itself was horrendous.
Israel is a terrorist state, and has been for 75 years.It was founded by terrorism
1500 dead Palestinians siince the retaliation started & the troops with Tanks have entred Gaza, so 1300 Israelis & 1500 Palestinians killed in 5 days. Your side by side peaceful living theory is in Tatters.Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:01 amYou expect them to do nothing after recent atrocities? The World looked on whilst they were exterminated in the Holocaust, they are standing up for themselves.
Any attacks on Hamas will be intelligence led not indiscriminate like Hamas were killing parents in front of their children and children in front of their parents. Lily liveried ingratiating yourself to terrorist like Hamas creates long term potential problems for democratic countries like our own . You fuel their confidence to continue with their terrorism, encourage them and do nothing to solve the problem.
You obviously have not read what I posted.Joe315 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:09 pm1500 dead Palestinians siince the retaliation started & the troops with Tanks have entred Gaza, so 1300 Israelis & 1500 Palestinians killed in 5 days. Your side by side peaceful living theory is in Tatters.Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:01 amYou expect them to do nothing after recent atrocities? The World looked on whilst they were exterminated in the Holocaust, they are standing up for themselves.
Any attacks on Hamas will be intelligence led not indiscriminate like Hamas were killing parents in front of their children and children in front of their parents. Lily liveried ingratiating yourself to terrorist like Hamas creates long term potential problems for democratic countries like our own . You fuel their confidence to continue with their terrorism, encourage them and do nothing to solve the problem.
Is Israel interested in peace, Grabbing land & handing that land to new Israeli settlers is hardly a peaceful action.Long slender neck wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:03 pm Hamas know they can commit their attrocities while hiding behind civilians.
Hamas arent interested in peace or talks.
So again, how do you deal with them without civilians getting hurt?
11,500 dead Palestinians & 2200 dead Israelis since the year 2000 is Peaceful ? Concentrate on the whole conflict then add on the 3000 dead since Saturday & I will consider taking anything you say in the future seriously.Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:15 pmYou obviously have not read what I posted.Joe315 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:09 pm1500 dead Palestinians siince the retaliation started & the troops with Tanks have entred Gaza, so 1300 Israelis & 1500 Palestinians killed in 5 days. Your side by side peaceful living theory is in Tatters.Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:01 am
You expect them to do nothing after recent atrocities? The World looked on whilst they were exterminated in the Holocaust, they are standing up for themselves.
Any attacks on Hamas will be intelligence led not indiscriminate like Hamas were killing parents in front of their children and children in front of their parents. Lily liveried ingratiating yourself to terrorist like Hamas creates long term potential problems for democratic countries like our own . You fuel their confidence to continue with their terrorism, encourage them and do nothing to solve the problem.
I did say ‘in peaceful times’ and these are not so. The only thing in tatters is your concentration.
Israel has been cited 44 times since 2006 for Breeches of UNHRC ,what is going make them change now ?Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 1:05 pmAn immediate ceasefire and negotiations to release the hostages in exchange for jailed Palestinians brokered by a trusted party. Enough innocent women and children have died already.
To include discussions about rebuilding Gaza and mutual security. Ending with the creation of a state that protects the rights of all it citizens and ending with full socialism. It may take some time.