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dOh Nut wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:32 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:55 am My gangs bigger than your gang. My dad's bigger than your dad.

Good political debate from the Red Tory faction. For once can youse no argue the politics instead of instantly wheeling out the smears.

Ellmans local party don't like her politics and if as she contends it's about antisemitism than why did they wait 22 years?

If people don’t like The way Labour deal with a problem, then the party line is they should f.off.

People who have worked for the party for over half a century count for nothing. Little short of a dictatorship.

Having worked for the Party for 50 years doesn't give you licence to plot against and continually bad mouth the twice democratically elected leader of the party. If you don't like him or his politics at least have the decency to argue about political issues instead of hiding behind cowardly smears. Those smear tactics are the MO of Stalinists who actually was a dictator even though he was everbody in the Wests' Uncle for a bit.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:37 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:32 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:55 am My gangs bigger than your gang. My dad's bigger than your dad.

Good political debate from the Red Tory faction. For once can youse no argue the politics instead of instantly wheeling out the smears.

Ellmans local party don't like her politics and if as she contends it's about antisemitism than why did they wait 22 years?

If people don’t like The way Labour deal with a problem, then the party line is they should f.off.

People who have worked for the party for over half a century count for nothing. Little short of a dictatorship.

Having worked for the Party for 50 years doesn't give you licence to plot against and continually bad mouth the twice democratically elected leader of the party. If you don't like him or his politics at least have the decency to argue about political issues instead of hiding behind cowardly smears. Those smear tactics are the MO of Stalinists who actually was a dictator even though he was everbody in the Wests' Uncle for a bit.

A new, softer politics. The truth is Max anybody who has a view not liked by the leadership they automatically become plotters. Not allowed to bad mouth the big boss. Dictatorship Max, pure and simple. A party with no place for dissenting opinions. She’s not the first, nor will she be the last. This tough uncompromising stance is gathering momentum.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:50 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:37 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:32 pm

If people don’t like The way Labour deal with a problem, then the party line is they should f.off.

People who have worked for the party for over half a century count for nothing. Little short of a dictatorship.

Having worked for the Party for 50 years doesn't give you licence to plot against and continually bad mouth the twice democratically elected leader of the party. If you don't like him or his politics at least have the decency to argue about political issues instead of hiding behind cowardly smears. Those smear tactics are the MO of Stalinists who actually was a dictator even though he was everbody in the Wests' Uncle for a bit.

A new, softer politics. The truth is Max anybody who has a view not liked by the leadership they automatically become plotters. Not allowed to bad mouth the big boss. Dictatorship Max, pure and simple. A party with no place for dissenting opinions. She’s not the first, nor will she be the last. This tough uncompromising stance is gathering momentum.

You clearly don't understand the difference between having a dissenting opinion and expressing it within the party structures and participating in an organised campaign of falisification. Therefore, I'm not going to discuss it further with you as you are wasting my time.

Mikero wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:27 pm Bit like parliament then.

Mikero

And they're trusted to run the country. All sides.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:50 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:37 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:32 pm

If people don’t like The way Labour deal with a problem, then the party line is they should f.off.

People who have worked for the party for over half a century count for nothing. Little short of a dictatorship.

Having worked for the Party for 50 years doesn't give you licence to plot against and continually bad mouth the twice democratically elected leader of the party. If you don't like him or his politics at least have the decency to argue about political issues instead of hiding behind cowardly smears. Those smear tactics are the MO of Stalinists who actually was a dictator even though he was everbody in the Wests' Uncle for a bit.

A new, softer politics. The truth is Max anybody who has a view not liked by the leadership they automatically become plotters. Not allowed to bad mouth the big boss. Dictatorship Max, pure and simple. A party with no place for dissenting opinions. She’s not the first, nor will she be the last. This tough uncompromising stance is gathering momentum.

Relentless.

Any Labour mp that votes for the Pm's terrible deal on Saturday, should have the whip taken away, and never be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate ever again IMO
This deal is an awful deal for working people ( & almost everyone else)
I hope someone tables an amendment to revoke article 50, and we just stay in the EU, which is the best deal of the lot

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:00 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:50 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:37 pm

Having worked for the Party for 50 years doesn't give you licence to plot against and continually bad mouth the twice democratically elected leader of the party. If you don't like him or his politics at least have the decency to argue about political issues instead of hiding behind cowardly smears. Those smear tactics are the MO of Stalinists who actually was a dictator even though he was everbody in the Wests' Uncle for a bit.

A new, softer politics. The truth is Max anybody who has a view not liked by the leadership they automatically become plotters. Not allowed to bad mouth the big boss. Dictatorship Max, pure and simple. A party with no place for dissenting opinions. She’s not the first, nor will she be the last. This tough uncompromising stance is gathering momentum.

You clearly don't understand the difference between having a dissenting opinion and expressing it within the party structures and participating in an organised campaign of falisification. Therefore, I'm not going to discuss it further with you as you are wasting my time.

Not sure why you bothered in the first place.

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:03 pm Any Labour mp that votes for the Pm's terrible deal on Saturday, should have the whip taken away, and never be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate ever again IMO
This deal is an awful deal for working people ( & almost everyone else)
I hope someone tables an amendment to revoke article 50, and we just stay in the EU, which is the best deal of the lot

Can you give a brief summary why it's an awful deal for working people. As I don't have time to read the deal myself.

Many thanks.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:00 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:50 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:37 pm

Having worked for the Party for 50 years doesn't give you licence to plot against and continually bad mouth the twice democratically elected leader of the party. If you don't like him or his politics at least have the decency to argue about political issues instead of hiding behind cowardly smears. Those smear tactics are the MO of Stalinists who actually was a dictator even though he was everbody in the Wests' Uncle for a bit.

A new, softer politics. The truth is Max anybody who has a view not liked by the leadership they automatically become plotters. Not allowed to bad mouth the big boss. Dictatorship Max, pure and simple. A party with no place for dissenting opinions. She’s not the first, nor will she be the last. This tough uncompromising stance is gathering momentum.

You clearly don't understand the difference between having a dissenting opinion and expressing it within the party structures and participating in an organised campaign of falisification. Therefore, I'm not going to discuss it further with you as you are wasting my time.

Well said Max. Let me help simplify it. Jewish MPs are being hounded out and anti-semitism is still rife in the Labour Party.

The confidence of Jewish voters in voting for the Corbyn junta is shot.

Happy to provide the clarification.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:03 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:00 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:50 pm

A new, softer politics. The truth is Max anybody who has a view not liked by the leadership they automatically become plotters. Not allowed to bad mouth the big boss. Dictatorship Max, pure and simple. A party with no place for dissenting opinions. She’s not the first, nor will she be the last. This tough uncompromising stance is gathering momentum.

You clearly don't understand the difference between having a dissenting opinion and expressing it within the party structures and participating in an organised campaign of falisification. Therefore, I'm not going to discuss it further with you as you are wasting my time.

Well said Max. Let me help simplify it. Jewish MPs are being hounded out and anti-semitism is still rife in the Labour Party.

The confidence of Jewish voters in voting for the Corbyn junta is shot.

Happy to provide the clarification.

It isn't rife. The reported cases involving Labour members is miniscule (0.1% of membership). FACT.

It's Tossers like you who are doing a total disservice to the Jewish community with your repitition of lies and slander to achieve a political purpose because you are too fuking yellow to argue like a grown up.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:14 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:03 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:00 pm

You clearly don't understand the difference between having a dissenting opinion and expressing it within the party structures and participating in an organised campaign of falisification. Therefore, I'm not going to discuss it further with you as you are wasting my time.

Well said Max. Let me help simplify it. Jewish MPs are being hounded out and anti-semitism is still rife in the Labour Party.

The confidence of Jewish voters in voting for the Corbyn junta is shot.

Happy to provide the clarification.

It isn't rife. The reported case involving Labour members is miniscule (0.1% of membership). FACT.

It's Tossers like you who are doing a total disservice to the Jewish community with your repitition of lies and slander to achieve a political purpose because you are too fuking yellow to argue like a grown up.

Max, can you explain to me why the Jewish MP's are resigning or having to go through reselection. Many thanks.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:14 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:03 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:00 pm

You clearly don't understand the difference between having a dissenting opinion and expressing it within the party structures and participating in an organised campaign of falisification. Therefore, I'm not going to discuss it further with you as you are wasting my time.

Well said Max. Let me help simplify it. Jewish MPs are being hounded out and anti-semitism is still rife in the Labour Party.

The confidence of Jewish voters in voting for the Corbyn junta is shot.

Happy to provide the clarification.

It isn't rife. The reported case involving Labour members is miniscule (0.1% of membership). FACT.

It's Tossers like you who are doing a total disservice to the Jewish community with your repitition of lies and slander to achieve a political purpose because you are too fuking yellow to argue like a grown up.

As in agreeing with all of the nonsense you spout?

Do you actually talk to members of the Jewish community? I do.
Do you actually listen to their views. I do.

When you decide to respect how THEY feel, then come back and contribute in a grown up way rather than throw poorly constructed abuse about.

Dis what do you talk to the Jewish community about? As you listen to their views, what are they?

I'm being serious and not winding up.

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:22 pm Dis what do you talk to the Jewish community about? As you listen to their views, what are they?

I'm being serious and not winding up.

Fair enough - I didn’t think you did.
Without going into specifics, part of my role in a government office is about inclusion and promoting prosperity amongst different community groups.

I also have a number of Jewish friends. They have all deserted Labour and articulate strongly why they have done so. It is their view, which cannot be subjugated by the blinkered, narrow-minded views of others who think they can be a spokesman for a community they know nothing about.

I think that last sentence is it in a nutshell.

When you think of labour's founding vision and beliefs to where it is now, it's like day and night.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:19 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:14 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:03 pm

Well said Max. Let me help simplify it. Jewish MPs are being hounded out and anti-semitism is still rife in the Labour Party.

The confidence of Jewish voters in voting for the Corbyn junta is shot.

Happy to provide the clarification.

It isn't rife. The reported case involving Labour members is miniscule (0.1% of membership). FACT.

It's Tossers like you who are doing a total disservice to the Jewish community with your repitition of lies and slander to achieve a political purpose because you are too fuking yellow to argue like a grown up.

As in agreeing with all of the nonsense you spout?

Do you actually talk to members of the Jewish community? I do.
Do you actually listen to their views. I do.

When you decide to respect how THEY feel, then come back and contribute in a grown up way rather than throw poorly constructed abuse about.

Your reply does not deal with the one FACT I presented to you.

Yes I do talk to members of the Jewish Community, socialists mainly , who dispute the lies and smears and who correctly recognise that the threat comes from fascists and the far right.

Max where are these fascists hiding? I am not seeing them on the streets, in the press.

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:40 pm Max where are these fascists hiding? I am not seeing them on the streets, in the press.

Must be more of them north of the border then.

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:36 pm I think that last sentence is it in a nutshell.

When you think of labour's founding vision and beliefs to where it is now, it's like day and night.

Keir Hardie must be turning in his grave.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:37 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:19 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:14 pm

It isn't rife. The reported case involving Labour members is miniscule (0.1% of membership). FACT.

It's Tossers like you who are doing a total disservice to the Jewish community with your repitition of lies and slander to achieve a political purpose because you are too fuking yellow to argue like a grown up.

As in agreeing with all of the nonsense you spout?

Do you actually talk to members of the Jewish community? I do.
Do you actually listen to their views. I do.

When you decide to respect how THEY feel, then come back and contribute in a grown up way rather than throw poorly constructed abuse about.

Your reply does not deal with the one FACT I presented to you.

Yes I do talk to members of the Jewish Community, socialists mainly , who dispute the lies and smears and who correctly recognise that the threat comes from fascists and the far right.

They see fascists everywhere. They clearly know they are fascists because they challenge their Stalinist thinking.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:50 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:37 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:19 pm

As in agreeing with all of the nonsense you spout?

Do you actually talk to members of the Jewish community? I do.
Do you actually listen to their views. I do.

When you decide to respect how THEY feel, then come back and contribute in a grown up way rather than throw poorly constructed abuse about.

Your reply does not deal with the one FACT I presented to you.

Yes I do talk to members of the Jewish Community, socialists mainly , who dispute the lies and smears and who correctly recognise that the threat comes from fascists and the far right.

They see fascists everywhere. They clearly know they are fascists because they challenge their Stalinist thinking.

You still havent dealt with the one FACT presented.

Why is that?

Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:50 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:37 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:19 pm

As in agreeing with all of the nonsense you spout?

Do you actually talk to members of the Jewish community? I do.
Do you actually listen to their views. I do.

When you decide to respect how THEY feel, then come back and contribute in a grown up way rather than throw poorly constructed abuse about.

Your reply does not deal with the one FACT I presented to you.

Yes I do talk to members of the Jewish Community, socialists mainly , who dispute the lies and smears and who correctly recognise that the threat comes from fascists and the far right.

They see fascists everywhere. They clearly know they are fascists because they challenge their Stalinist thinking.

So you are saying the Jews i talk to are delusional. Big statement.

That the Labour Party are being investigated, that long standing loyal Labour Party members are resigning, that senior Jewish people have spoken out. It’s all a plot, nothing is true. If you believe that the. It’s not worth discussing. What it is is a fecking disgrace.

Who gives a toss about percentages, however they may be cobbled together. The issues are there and we all know it.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:55 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:50 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:37 pm

Your reply does not deal with the one FACT I presented to you.

Yes I do talk to members of the Jewish Community, socialists mainly , who dispute the lies and smears and who correctly recognise that the threat comes from fascists and the far right.

They see fascists everywhere. They clearly know they are fascists because they challenge their Stalinist thinking.

So you are saying the Jews i talk to are delusional. Big statement.

Thought you might of went for the safer option of “Jewish people” seeing as the word you used is seen as a slur these days