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Re: Election Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 11:58 am
by Proposition Joe
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 11:25 am
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 11:22 am
I was actually there in 2019 the day after the election. Would hardly call it a riot. It was a bunch of angry people protesting and a few morons. Not exactly storming the capital building…oh that didn’t happen
Still more though than turned up last night to cause trouble
So not a riot then? And no source - not even the Express article you linked - that backs up any claim that "thousands of leftists rioted in Whitehall"?
Thanks for admitting you made it up, it's not often that people are prepared to hold their hands up like that
Re: Election Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:01 pm
by Hoover Attack
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 11:22 am
I was actually there in 2019 the day after the election. Would hardly call it a riot. It was a bunch of angry people protesting and a few morons. Not exactly storming the capital building…oh that didn’t happen
Hope you received a custodial sentence for your part in those despicable, democracy-denying 'demos'.
Re: Election Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:02 pm
by Hoover Attack
Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 11:36 am
All thanks to Sirkieth knowing how the system works. F**king genius.
Re: Election Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:13 pm
by BiggsyMalone
Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 10:15 am
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 9:21 am She was quite happy to be parachuted in
From Wiki:
Early life and education
Shaheen was born in Whipps Cross University Hospital, Leytonstone, in East London[4] and grew up in Chingford, also in East London.[5] Her father was a car mechanic from Fiji and her mother was a laboratory technician from Karachi, Pakistan, where they met.[6][7][8][9] She has a brother and a sister.[8]
She attended Chingford Church of England Primary School,[10] Chingford Foundation School and Sir George Monoux College in Walthamstow.[11] Her first job at the age of 16 was at Greggs the bakers in Chingford Mount.
Personal life
Shaheen married actor Akin Gazi in 2013.[53][54] They have one child, a son named Zayan, born in 2024.[55][56][57] They live in Woodford Green, Woodford, East London.
What does that have to do with anything? The person who did a lot of hard work was prevented from finishing it off.
https://labourlist.org/2018/07/chingfor ... tlist/?amp
Re: Election Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:15 pm
by BiggsyMalone
Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 10:39 am
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 9:15 am
Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 6:45 am
All so avoidable.
The fact Starmer would rather have IDS in Parliament than a troublesome pro-Palestinian leftie is worrying.
She made the choice to run as an independant.
And why was that?
Are you unable to read? Or are your comprehension skills akin to a 3 year old?
Re: Election Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:19 pm
by Hoover Attack
So as it stands (with 2 seats to go), the turnaround in the Labour party is just unbelievable.
Just 4 1/2 short years ago, that imbecile Corbyn managed to secure a mere 10.3 million votes (down from a slightly less embarassing 13.0 million in 2017). Somehow, the genius that is Sirkieth has turned the party around and miraculously convinced a whopping 9.7 million people to vote for the new, improved Labour offering. Outstanding.
Re: Election Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:21 pm
by Hoover Attack
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:13 pm
Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 10:15 am
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 9:21 am She was quite happy to be parachuted in
From Wiki:
Early life and education
Shaheen was born in Whipps Cross University Hospital, Leytonstone, in East London[4] and grew up in Chingford, also in East London.[5] Her father was a car mechanic from Fiji and her mother was a laboratory technician from Karachi, Pakistan, where they met.[6][7][8][9] She has a brother and a sister.[8]
She attended Chingford Church of England Primary School,[10] Chingford Foundation School and Sir George Monoux College in Walthamstow.[11] Her first job at the age of 16 was at Greggs the bakers in Chingford Mount.
Personal life
Shaheen married actor Akin Gazi in 2013.[53][54] They have one child, a son named Zayan, born in 2024.[55][56][57] They live in Woodford Green, Woodford, East London.
What does that have to do with anything?
Youre genuinely claiming she parachuted into the area she was born, educated and grew up in?
Re: Election Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:21 pm
by Proposition Joe
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:15 pm
Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 10:39 am
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 9:15 am
She made the choice to run as an independant.
And why was that?
Are you unable to read? Or are your comprehension skills akin to a 3 year old?
Based on this exchange they seem on a par with yours, tbf.
Re: Election Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:21 pm
by Hoover Attack
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:15 pm
Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 10:39 am
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 9:15 am
She made the choice to run as an independant.
And why was that?
Are you unable to read? Or are your comprehension skills akin to a 3 year old?
Where and when we meeting up to sort this out?
Re: Election Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:22 pm
by Hoover Attack
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:21 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:15 pm
Are you unable to read? Or are your comprehension skills akin to a 3 year old?
Based on this exchange they seem on a par with yours, tbf.
Thank you.
Re: Election Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:23 pm
by Hoover Attack
Hang on a sec....?
Re: Election Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:26 pm
by Proposition Joe
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng ... -landslide
The absolute best thing Labour can do is not get high on their own supply after this. It's not bitterness to say large parts of their win has been built on sand, it's borne out by these figures. Many seats wouldn't have been won if Farage had done what he did last time and pulled out of various races (many of the seats Corbyn was castigated for losing didn't have the luxury of Brexit Party candidates splitting the Tory vote left, right and centre) and in some of their heartlands, their vote share went down (Greens took 10s of 000s of votes from them in London). They need to realise they've played the system to their advantage rather than winning any hearts and minds and get on with making sure their term actually gives people a reason to vote for them next time. And preferably progressive reason, rather than shooting the small boats, or something.
Re: Election Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:27 pm
by Dunners
Just 14 hours after the polls closed, and Starmer is appointed as Prime Minister by Charles. Compared to most other nations, that's actually a pretty quick process.
Re: Election Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:31 pm
by Dunners
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:26 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng ... -landslide
The absolute best thing Labour can do is not get high on their own supply after this. It's not bitterness to say large parts of their win has been built on sand, it's borne out by these figures. Many seats wouldn't have been won if Farage had done what he did last time and pulled out of various races (many of the seats Corbyn was castigated for losing didn't have the luxury of Brexit Party candidates splitting the Tory vote left, right and centre) and in some of their heartlands, their vote share went down (Greens took 10s of 000s of votes from them in London). They need to realise they've played the system to their advantage rather than winning any hearts and minds and get on with making sure their term actually gives people a reason to vote for them next time. And preferably progressive reason, rather than shooting the small boats, or something.
Yep, Morgan McSweeny has delivered with brutal efficiency, but on very shaky foundations.
But what's most likely to be more evenly distributed across constituencies; progressives or shoot-the-boats types?
Re: Election Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:33 pm
by Dunners
This is a good graph showing how Labour focused on maximising seats per million votes as their core campaign strategy.
Re: Election Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:36 pm
by Brigs
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:26 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng ... -landslide
The absolute best thing Labour can do is not get high on their own supply after this. It's not bitterness to say large parts of their win has been built on sand, it's borne out by these figures. Many seats wouldn't have been won if Farage had done what he did last time and pulled out of various races (many of the seats Corbyn was castigated for losing didn't have the luxury of Brexit Party candidates splitting the Tory vote left, right and centre) and in some of their heartlands, their vote share went down (Greens took 10s of 000s of votes from them in London). They need to realise they've played the system to their advantage rather than winning any hearts and minds and get on with making sure their term actually gives people a reason to vote for them next time. And preferably progressive reason, rather than shooting the small boats, or something.
So it just confirms how broke Right leaning politics is,
We must wonder if they can make a difference in 5 years or will the upper classes sense of arrogance be there downfall again.
Re: Election Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:37 pm
by Hoover Attack
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:26 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng ... -landslide
The absolute best thing Labour can do is not get high on their own supply after this. It's not bitterness to say large parts of their win has been built on sand, it's borne out by these figures. Many seats wouldn't have been won if Farage had done what he did last time and pulled out of various races (many of the seats Corbyn was castigated for losing didn't have the luxury of Brexit Party candidates splitting the Tory vote left, right and centre) and in some of their heartlands, their vote share went down (Greens took 10s of 000s of votes from them in London). They need to realise they've played the system to their advantage rather than winning any hearts and minds and get on with making sure their term actually gives people a reason to vote for them next time. And preferably progressive reason, rather than shooting the small boats, or something.
Totally. No arguments have been won.
We'll have 5 years of pretty much the same (yes, I accept it won't be quite as sh*t for the most vulnerable in our society), then Starmer will cop the blame. He'll go, and I dread to think what will come next.
Re: Election Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:39 pm
by StillSpike
Take out the Scottish Labour gain in votes and share - where Labour was the go-to protest party, as opposed to Reform down in that Engerland - and Sir Keir doesn't really seem to have done that well, really, considering what he was up against - in terms of popular vote or share.
Re: Election Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:41 pm
by Brigs
Re: Election Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:41 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:37 pm
Totally. No arguments have been won.
Exactly, he might have got the worst result since 1935 but at least Corbyn won the argument
Re: Election Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:45 pm
by Dunners
To be fair, most long-term boarders on here should sympathise with "winning the argument" over all other considerations.
Re: Election Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:50 pm
by Hoover Attack
StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:39 pm
Sir Keir doesn't really seem to have done that well, really, considering what he was up against - in terms of popular vote or share.
Agreed. As said above, it's all built on sand.
You know that feeling when you're having your head dunked in the bath, and your torturer lets you come up for air before sticking your head back under. It feels like that.
Re: Election Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:51 pm
by RedDwarf 1881
StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:39 pm
Take out the Scottish Labour gain in votes and share - where Labour was the go-to protest party, as opposed to Reform down in that Engerland - and Sir Keir doesn't really seem to have done that well, really, considering what he was up against - in terms of popular vote or share.
I saw a result of a poll on tv just as I was leaving for work . Apparently 48% of people who voted Labour did so only to get rid of the Tories. Hardly a ringing endorsement.
Re: Election Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:53 pm
by Hoover Attack
And someone has just put in a call to the sick f**k they call 'The Doctor', who'll be along in 5 minutes with his bag of toys.
Re: Election Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 1:26 pm
by Dunners
I have to say, I was a tad disappointed with Starmer's speech outside No.10. I was at least hoping that he would finally tell us what job his father used to do.
