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Is that the best you’ve got? 3 women Pm’s and now one of Indian ancestry and Labour are still stuck at stale pale males.

Starmer is positively gammon, not pale.

The thing about Tories with race is that their acceptance of Sunak doesn’t say anything about race, but about Sunak’s access to power and privilege. Racism isn’t just about not liking people with dark skin. Racism can also be baked into structural inequality.

Structural inequality ? Explain Structural inequality in less than 100 words .

Son of African immigrants and the youngest PM for over 100 years.

Decent achievement, especially given he's only been an MP for 7yrs

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:13 pm Son of African immigrants and the youngest PM for over 100 years.

Decent achievement, especially given he's only been an MP for 7yrs

I think that says more about the level of competition he faced rather than how he's outstanding in any sense.

As a socialist, any Tory is anathema to me, but we could have done a lot worse than Sunak
During the lockdown he was dishing money out so the poor could survive, and many in his party would not have been as generous as he was.
Long as he keeps that nutter Braverman out the cabinet, he'll do for the time being

So the Tory Party have ditched there
own Party rules to force a leader on the
people of the UK , while absolutely
NOBODY VOTED FOR him !

FREEDUMB !

Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:13 pm Is that the best you’ve got? 3 women Pm’s and now one of Indian ancestry and Labour are still stuck at stale pale males.

To be fair, if Labour had changed their leader in office as much as the Tories I'm sure they would have given a go to woman or a person of colour, or even a person from the LGBTQ community

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:35 pm The thing about Tories with race is that their acceptance of Sunak doesn’t say anything about race, but about Sunak’s access to power and privilege. Racism isn’t just about not liking people with dark skin. Racism can also be baked into structural inequality.

What about all the rich Tory party members who didn’t accept him and went for a completely incompetent person instead? Or do you think they thought he was just toooo rich as opposites to just rich?

Its amazing how the Tory membership went for a thicko, with no experience on economics, rather than Sunak, a few weeks ago.
My opinion is, that many of them are racists, and wouldnt vote for a man with brown skin

I'm sure everyone claiming that Truss winning was down to race, not that she promised popular tax cuts or the fact she wasn't linked to Boris' exit like Sunak was have some evidence to back that up

I won't hold my breath

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:38 pm I'm sure everyone claiming that Truss winning was down to race, not that she promised popular tax cuts or the fact she wasn't linked to Boris' exit like Sunak was have some evidence to back that up

I won't hold my breath

You mean Truss who Boris backed in the leadership race and served in his government? Or a different one?

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:38 pm I'm sure everyone claiming that Truss winning was down to race, not that she promised popular tax cuts or the fact she wasn't linked to Boris' exit like Sunak was have some evidence to back that up

I won't hold my breath

Funny that Truss wasnt backed by so many MPs
She then won the Popular members vote.

The T*ry MPs insured this time the
Non white candidate wouldnt be
beaten by the allegedly Racist Tory Members
In a vote as per party rules.

P.C over Democracy is just so Woke !!

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:16 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:38 pm I'm sure everyone claiming that Truss winning was down to race, not that she promised popular tax cuts or the fact she wasn't linked to Boris' exit like Sunak was have some evidence to back that up

I won't hold my breath

You mean Truss who Boris backed in the leadership race and served in his government? Or a different one?

I meant the exact same, who didnt resign like Sunak.

You didn't read my post correctly

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:19 pm

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:35 pm The thing about Tories with race is that their acceptance of Sunak doesn’t say anything about race, but about Sunak’s access to power and privilege. Racism isn’t just about not liking people with dark skin. Racism can also be baked into structural inequality.

What about all the rich Tory party members who didn’t accept him and went for a completely incompetent person instead? Or do you think they thought he was just toooo rich as opposites to just rich?

I’m sure you’re not intending to be this dim, but you’ll note on re-reading the post of mine that you reacted to, that I didn’t say anything positive about Tory attitudes to race, I simply said that Sunak being leader does not actually say anything about their attitude to race.

That has no bearing on whether their previous collective decision to vote for Truss was informed by race or not. Personally, I believe it was based on her making fantastical unworkable promises, not race. But guess what - that’s still not actually advocating for Tory views on race.

Is there any room for nuance here?

Nuance!? This is the Leyton Orient message board sir!

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:36 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:19 pm

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:35 pm The thing about Tories with race is that their acceptance of Sunak doesn’t say anything about race, but about Sunak’s access to power and privilege. Racism isn’t just about not liking people with dark skin. Racism can also be baked into structural inequality.

What about all the rich Tory party members who didn’t accept him and went for a completely incompetent person instead? Or do you think they thought he was just toooo rich as opposites to just rich?

I’m sure you’re not intending to be this dim, but you’ll note on re-reading the post of mine that you reacted to, that I didn’t say anything positive about Tory attitudes to race, I simply said that Sunak being leader does not actually say anything about their attitude to race.

That has no bearing on whether their previous collective decision to vote for Truss was informed by race or not. Personally, I believe it was based on her making fantastical unworkable promises, not race. But guess what - that’s still not actually advocating for Tory views on race.

Is there any room for nuance here?

A Tory Party Member who keeps banging on about England .

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:39 pm Nuance!? This is the Leyton Orient message board sir!

And ?

What’s your point? Looking forward to hearing it, because it’s clearly going to be awful

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:46 pm What’s your point? Looking forward to hearing it, because it’s clearly going to be awful

Just in case that was for me

It was for you.

I’ll try to make it as clear as possible, as you’re obviously struggling.

You’ve posted a video of a racist Tory voter. I’m interested in why you think that has anything to do with the fact that I said that the fact that the Tory party eventually chose Sunak as their leader does not actually say anything about Tory attitudes to race.

For the record, this video *does* show something about Tory attitudes to race - the video is an example of casual racism displayed by a Tory voter, and illustrative of the way people with racist attitudes are likely to gravitate towards the Tories out of the mainstream parties. Again, your point, please?

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:36 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:19 pm

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:35 pm The thing about Tories with race is that their acceptance of Sunak doesn’t say anything about race, but about Sunak’s access to power and privilege. Racism isn’t just about not liking people with dark skin. Racism can also be baked into structural inequality.

What about all the rich Tory party members who didn’t accept him and went for a completely incompetent person instead? Or do you think they thought he was just toooo rich as opposites to just rich?

I’m sure you’re not intending to be this dim, but you’ll note on re-reading the post of mine that you reacted to, that I didn’t say anything positive about Tory attitudes to race, I simply said that Sunak being leader does not actually say anything about their attitude to race.

That has no bearing on whether their previous collective decision to vote for Truss was informed by race or not. Personally, I believe it was based on her making fantastical unworkable promises, not race. But guess what - that’s still not actually advocating for Tory views on race.

Is there any room for nuance here?

Thanks for explaining your nuanced point.

Do you have any issue with my point?

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:04 pm Do you have any issue with my point?

Look, i get that your ego is hurting after I showed you and half the board up on the other thread because the racist apologists were outraged that i thought labour didnt have any racist voters but please keep the hurt to one thread.