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Stowaway wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:15 pm I don’t think Peston is outraged in any way at all. He’s merely pointing out facts.

While you’re here, feel free to point out which parts of it are misleading.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:47 pm

Admin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 12:20 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 9:52 am Dohnut must be the most consistent boarder of all time. It has got to be difficult to get it so spectacularly wrong every time. Well done sir!

Not sure why you're bothering. It's like having a debate with a whoopee cushion.

No whoopee from me. Just find it amusing at people trying to excuse/minimise the current farcical state of the Labour party. 100 days in and everything that could go wrong, has. I use the word shambles. I’m being kind. Not just my view when you look at various polls. People need to face up to the shambolic start of the Labour years. One hope is these cock-ups soften the next budget a little as they try and get some credibility back.

Starmer is just out of his depth.

faldO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 2:42 pm

Stowaway wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 9:30 am Seeing as Dohnut is a bit confused, here’s a Robert Peston piece that might help put him straight on a few things here.


There seems to be significant faux outrage from Tory leadership candidates Cleverly and Tugendhat about the Starmer government's transfer of the Chagos islands to Mauritius.
Official sources tell me the transfer would have happened in materially the same
way at roughly the same time if Sunak had somehow won the election.
The point is that the transfer was being negotiated on the recent Tory government's watch - including by Cleverly as foreign secretary and then by Cameron - and the deadline was in effect set by Washington.
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If anyone in the Tory party wants to know the nitty gritty of all this, possibly they could ask for an introduction from the former minister Lord Frost - because his spouse Harriet Matthews has been the lead official negotiator for the foreign office on the Chagos treaty with Mauritius.

This is faux outrage about faux outrage...

And some of Peston's statements, like the one about Cameron, are misleading.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:27 pm What cock ups?

Dohnut wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:17 am

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:27 pm What cock ups?

The ones even his own party members are talking about. The ones that have seen his popularity fall faster than any election winning PM in history. Those ones.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2024 8:59 am

Dohnut wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:17 am

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:27 pm What cock ups?

The ones even his own party members are talking about. The ones that have seen his popularity fall faster than any election winning PM in history. Those ones.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:44 am I must confess this Labour government has shocked me . I would have never thought Labour would attack pensioners by taking away the winter fuel allowance . If we have a very cold winter resulting in a high elderly death toll there will be Hell to pay . Incidentally Labour gave away £11.6Billion to other countries for climate change and another £9Billion went on public sector pay raises . £20.6Billion right there . There's your black hole .

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:44 am I must confess this Labour government has shocked me . I would have never thought Labour would attack pensioners by taking away the winter fuel allowance . If we have a very cold winter resulting in a high elderly death toll there will be Hell to pay . Incidentally Labour gave away £11.6Billion to other countries for climate change and another £9Billion went on public sector pay raises . £20.6Billion right there . There's your black hole .

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2024 12:49 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:44 am I must confess this Labour government has shocked me . I would have never thought Labour would attack pensioners by taking away the winter fuel allowance . If we have a very cold winter resulting in a high elderly death toll there will be Hell to pay . Incidentally Labour gave away £11.6Billion to other countries for climate change and another £9Billion went on public sector pay raises . £20.6Billion right there . There's your black hole .

Should people not get pay rises when theres been massive inflation?

Public sector workers are ordinary people doing important jobs

Dohnut wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 10:15 am

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 7:31 am

Dohnut wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:40 pm Labour thus far. What an absolute shambles. Clueless hypocrites. 5 more years, Lord help us.

Upset at losing your winter bonus?

I’ve always believed the fuel allowance should be means tested, pensioners like me don’t need it. I gave it away to charity. Their loss not mine.

But I’m fecking upset for those thousands of old folk who are praying for a warm winter. Anybody not able to spare them a thought is as low as it gets. Listen to past Labour comments and figures. Absolute scandalous. Combine that with endless bribes and it is sickening. Especially given what they used to say about the Tories. Hypocrisy at its finest. Well done the Unions for speaking up for them.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:48 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2024 12:49 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:44 am I must confess this Labour government has shocked me . I would have never thought Labour would attack pensioners by taking away the winter fuel allowance . If we have a very cold winter resulting in a high elderly death toll there will be Hell to pay . Incidentally Labour gave away £11.6Billion to other countries for climate change and another £9Billion went on public sector pay raises . £20.6Billion right there . There's your black hole .

Should people not get pay rises when theres been massive inflation?

Public sector workers are ordinary people doing important jobs

No issue with pay rises. Though some are a tad generous. But helping fund these by putting the lives of the poorest pensioners at risk is a fecking disgrace. Scum. If the Tories had done that I would call them scum too.

Means test by all means. Many pensioners don’t need the allowance, many like me donate it to charity. But they are hitting the poorest and most vulnerable people, something even the Unions don’t agree with. Nor many decent Labour MPs. It’s a disgrace. And deep down we all know it.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:48 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2024 12:49 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:44 am I must confess this Labour government has shocked me . I would have never thought Labour would attack pensioners by taking away the winter fuel allowance . If we have a very cold winter resulting in a high elderly death toll there will be Hell to pay . Incidentally Labour gave away £11.6Billion to other countries for climate change and another £9Billion went on public sector pay raises . £20.6Billion right there . There's your black hole .

Should people not get pay rises when theres been massive inflation?

Public sector workers are ordinary people doing important jobs

No issue with pay rises. Though some are a tad generous. But helping fund these by putting the lives of the poorest pensioners at risk is a fecking disgrace. Scum. If the Tories had done that I would call them scum too.

Means test by all means. Many pensioners don’t need the allowance, many like me donate it to charity. But they are hitting the poorest and most vulnerable people, something even the Unions don’t agree with. Nor many decent Labour MPs. It’s a disgrace. And deep down we all know it.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:45 am

Dohnut wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:48 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2024 12:49 pm

Should people not get pay rises when theres been massive inflation?

Public sector workers are ordinary people doing important jobs

No issue with pay rises. Though some are a tad generous. But helping fund these by putting the lives of the poorest pensioners at risk is a fecking disgrace. Scum. If the Tories had done that I would call them scum too.

Means test by all means. Many pensioners don’t need the allowance, many like me donate it to charity. But they are hitting the poorest and most vulnerable people, something even the Unions don’t agree with. Nor many decent Labour MPs. It’s a disgrace. And deep down we all know it.

They’re not hitting the poorest,

All this whining because you’ve lost out on a measly £300 is ridiculous. Talk about selfish.