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[StillSpike]

Tuffers. Doesn’t the article say we have the 4th worst obesity rate in the world. In any case I was comparing with Europe which , as I said , is a better comparison. I also included other factors. But my main point was that there is more to it than plain bad governance

Hang on a minute. Even with the number of fatties we have less of them would have died if Johnson et al hadn't bungled their response to the pandemic. Never forget Johnson failed to attend the first FIVE Cobra meetings called to deal with the response to the virus.

He then down played its severity by walking around shaking hands with everyone he met. He then led a government that promoted the concept of "herd immunity" which without a vaccine at the time was a myth designed to keep the wheels of capitalism rolling whilst people died. Lives are expendable if there is money to be made.

He also caused 4.5 million primary school children to go to school , mix with each other, share around the virus, and then return to their homes & families - FOR ONE f*cking DAY - and all because he'd promised to see the schools open and that was what was going to happen, despite knowing that they'd have to shut, and that the scientists were screaming that they should remain shut. The <unt has a lot of blood on his hands.

[tuffers#1]

I didnt bother with reading the article

That's obvious.

Perhaps if you did you might learn something.

What would i learn ?
That countries with Higher Obesity rates
Would have less deaths from covid & obesity ?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... esity_rate

[Max B Gold]

Tuffers. Doesn’t the article say we have the 4th worst obesity rate in the world. In any case I was comparing with Europe which , as I said , is a better comparison. I also included other factors. But my main point was that there is more to it than plain bad governance

Hang on a minute. Even with the number of fatties we have less of them would have died if Johnson et al hadn't bungled their response to the pandemic. Never forget Johnson failed to attend the first FIVE Cobra meetings called to deal with the response to the virus.

He then down played its severity by walking around shaking hands with everyone he met. He then led a government that promoted the concept of "herd immunity" which without a vaccine at the time was a myth designed to keep the wheels of capitalism rolling whilst people died. Lives are expendable if there is money to be made.

Exactly. FAT LIVES MATTER.

Wrong ALL FAT LIVES MATTER.

[George M]

I didnt bother with reading the article

Tuffers. Doesn’t the article say we have the 4th worst obesity rate in the world. In any case I was comparing with Europe which , as I said , is a better comparison. I also included other factors. But my main point was that there is more to it than plain bad governance

Far easier.to show that all the arguments you seem to throw out
Can & inevetably are proven to be due to bad governance
Just look at the states for that .

500k dead because a bloke who believed in Lysol
Did F*ck all .
Now run along like a good boy George


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... esity_rate
The worlds Highest Obesity rates

Tuffers. Do you understand anything. I stated 3 reasons why , other than your idea of perceived bad governance, we have high death rates. One of these facts , highest obesity rates in Europe, which your list shows , is presented by the WHO as one of the reasons for our high death rates.
I have not claimed that my 3 facts are the only reason. Read my posts more clearly , then jog on and do your own research

[tuffers#1]

I didnt bother with reading the article

Tuffers. Doesn’t the article say we have the 4th worst obesity rate in the world. In any case I was comparing with Europe which , as I said , is a better comparison. I also included other factors. But my main point was that there is more to it than plain bad governance

Far easier.to show that all the arguments you seem to throw out
Can & inevetably are proven to be due to bad governance
Just look at the states for that .

500k dead because a bloke who believed in Lysol
Did F*ck all .
Now run along like a good boy George


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... esity_rate
The worlds Highest Obesity rates

Tuffers. Do you understand anything. I stated 3 reasons why , other than your idea of perceived bad governance, we have high death rates. One of these facts , highest obesity rates in Europe, which your list shows , is presented by the WHO as one of the reasons for our high death rates.
I have not claimed that my 3 facts are the only reason. Read my posts more clearly , then jog on and do your own research

My list shows other countries with higher obesity rates have lower death rates.
I still havent seen what your." FACTS " show .

Is it to do with big spaces & more people ?
Not like Bangladesh (more people less space )
Fewer covid deaths then blah blah blah other stuff !

[George M]

You seem obsessed with Bangladesh. Do you know what they have done that we haven’t other than not reporting accurately. India has awful death rates and Bangladesh has a border with it. Strange how their figures are so low.
The reason I am comparing European countries with European countries is that we can trust that recording methods are the same. We are comparing like for like.

[Dunners]

Hang on a minute. Even with the number of fatties we have less of them would have died if Johnson et al hadn't bungled their response to the pandemic. Never forget Johnson failed to attend the first FIVE Cobra meetings called to deal with the response to the virus.

He then down played its severity by walking around shaking hands with everyone he met. He then led a government that promoted the concept of "herd immunity" which without a vaccine at the time was a myth designed to keep the wheels of capitalism rolling whilst people died. Lives are expendable if there is money to be made.

Exactly. FAT LIVES MATTER.

Wrong ALL FAT LIVES MATTER.

Cheers mate.

[tuffers#1]

Bangladesh was just used as an example against what you said
About France , we have more than them & less space hence more deaths .
The Argument firmly into touch because bangladesh has a bigger popualtion
But a Smaller country .
Yet amaxingly has a lower death rate .you then go on about only using european
Comparisons .

Then you use a report that says its all down to obesity .
Yet Saudi Turkey Australia & Canada , all have higher obesity rates but
All those mentioned have less.covid deaths .

Im glad you bought the reporting accurately argument up .

We only count those who have tested positive in the last 28 days .

[tuffers#1]

https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk ... 19-deaths/

Although it might seem straightforward, counting the number of people who have died from COVID-19 related illness is complex.

The infection can lead to death soon after diagnosis, but it may also cause death many weeks later. Someone who tests positive can of course die from another cause such as cancer or heart disease at any time.

A death in someone who has tested positive becomes progressively less likely to be directly due to COVID-19 as time passes and more likely to be due to another cause. However, there is no agreed cut-off after which COVID-19 can be excluded as a likely cause and sadly, we know that some people die from their infection many weeks later. Coronavirus can also contribute to a death without being the main or “underlying” cause.

This definition therefore requires a clinical assessment of each case.

For several months, the COVID-19 Data Dashboard has been reporting, for England, all deaths in people who have a positive test. This a robust measure as it uses the fact of a positive test and the fact of death to derive the number reported. However, it is only an approximation of the number of people who die from COVID-19 because other causes of death are included and some people who die from COVID-19 never had a positive test. It was decided to adopt this measure in April in order to be sure not to underestimate the number of COVID-19 related deaths. It was always intended to review the approach as the pandemic progressed.

The countries of the UK have been using slightly different methods. Scotland, for example, has only been counting deaths within 28 days of a positive test so that deaths from COVID-19 beyond 28 days are not included.

Subsequent reporting of the cause of death

In the UK, COVID-19 deaths should be identified as such on death certificates, recorded by a registered medical practitioner. Provisional data on numbers of certified deaths from COVID-19 have been reported weekly by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) since 31 March 2020. However, there is an inevitable delay in reporting and publishing deaths based on death certification – for example, the most recent publication available at the time of writing reports deaths to week ending 31 July 2020.

Calculating the excess death rate

Another approach to assessing the impact of COVID-19 is to calculate the excess death rate. This method compares the total number of deaths in a week to the average expected from previous years. This is an excellent method, but it also takes some time for the results to be available.

How does PHE identify deaths in people who have tested positive?

In England, we have collated the details of every person who has had a laboratory-confirmed positive COVID-19 result at any point since the start of the pandemic. This will be a very valuable resource for tracking the impact of COVID-19 on the health of those affected.

We actively look at four sources to identify the death of any of these people should it occur. These are:

deaths occurring in hospitals, notified to NHS England by NHS trusts using the COVID-19 Patient Notification Systemdeaths with a confirmed COVID-19 test, notified to PHE Health Protection Teams during outbreak management (primarily in non-hospital settings) and recorded in an electronic reporting systemall people with a laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 test identified to have died through tracing against NHS recordsONS death registrations which can be linked to a laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 testDoes this mean you have overcounted deaths from COVID-19 in England?

The total number of deaths reported in the daily numbers is less than the total number of deaths registered with COVID-19 on the death certificate, so the numbers reported have not generally been an over estimate. However, in recent weeks the numbers of deaths in people who have tested positive have become substantially greater than the numbers of deaths subsequently registered as COVID-19 deaths by the ONS, which is why we are now changing our approach to reporting deaths.

What did the review look at?

Our review considered epidemiological evidence to see how likely it was that COVID-19 was a contributory factor to a death at different points in time after a positive test. We examined all 41,598 deaths in confirmed cases of COVID-19 reported up to 3 August 2020 and found that:

88% of deaths occurred within 28 days of a positive COVID-19 test and 96% occurred within 60 days or had COVID-19 on the death certificateof those who died 29 to 60 days after their positive test, COVID-19 was included on the death certificate for 64%2,295 (54%) of the 4,219 deaths excluded by a 28-day time limit had COVID-19 on the death certificateoverall 91% of deaths reported by PHE in confirmed cases up to 3 August had COVID-19 on the death certificateWhat is changing?

Two new deaths indicators will now be used by all four nations in the UK to provide a full picture of both recent trends and the longer-term burden of the disease.

The additional indicators which will be used to calculate daily death figures are:

the number of deaths in people with COVID-19 that occur within 28 days of a first positive laboratory-confirmed test. This is intended to provide a headline indicator of the immediate impact of recent epidemic activity. Deaths that occur more than 28 days after a positive test will not be included in this count.the number of deaths that occur within 60 days of a first positive test. Deaths that occur after 60 days will also be added to this figure if COVID-19 appears on the death certificate. This will provide a more complete measure of the burden of the disease over time.

Using these new measures, the total number of deaths in people with laboratory-confirmed infection is reduced by 5,377  if only deaths within 28-day of a test are included, and by 1,668 if including only deaths within 60 days or at any time with COVID-19 mentioned on the death certificate.

This approach has been peer reviewed by external statistical experts.

What do other countries do?

The WHO recommendation is to report on death certification, which England will continue to do through the ONS. For daily reported death figures, there is no international consensus on methods.

Why do the public health figures differ from the ONS numbers?

PHE has been counting all deaths in people who have laboratory-confirmed infection – this is technically robust because it does not require a judgement to be made about cause of death. ONS reports deaths where a doctor suspects COVID-19 as a cause – these data include a clinical assessment as recommended by WHO but are subject to variation in clinical judgement as to the cause of death.

These are two different measures with different strengths and weaknesses. The PHE data series is also available daily, making it more useful for real-time surveillance, whereas the ONS survey only appears once a week and is delayed.

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[George M]

Why have you linked that nonsense. So you are telling me that Bangladesh, a third world country , with poor hygiene standards , limited access to a good health system , limited access to clean water , massively overpopulated, has less Covid related deaths than us .
In that case , surely it would have been better to have shipped the vulnerable to Bangladesh. They would have survived the Virus and lost weight at the same time. It’s a win win

[Max B Gold]

Exactly. FAT LIVES MATTER.

Wrong ALL FAT LIVES MATTER.

Cheers mate.

I didn't think that one through properly. It should have been worded to exclude gingers.

[tuffers#1]

Why have you linked that nonsense.

What nonsense ?
Just information about counting covid deaths

So you are telling me that Bangladesh, a third world country , with poor hygiene standards , limited access to a good health system , limited access to clean water , massively overpopulated, has less Covid related deaths than us .
In that case , surely it would have been better to have shipped the vulnerable to Bangladesh. They would have survived the Virus and lost weight at the same time. It’s a win win

Why would it be better to stick the vulnerable in bangladesh ?

Surely enclosed spaces for long periods of time are not good
For the vulnerable !

[Currywurst and Chips]

Italy now blockading the AV vaccine from leaving

Funny how times changes when reality trumps political posturing

[Max B Gold]

Why have you linked that nonsense. So you are telling me that Bangladesh, a third world country , with poor hygiene standards , limited access to a good health system , limited access to clean water , massively overpopulated, has less Covid related deaths than us .
In that case , surely it would have been better to have shipped the vulnerable to Bangladesh. They would have survived the Virus and lost weight at the same time. It’s a win win

I read this morning the PM wants to introduce vouchers to help with the UK obesity (thus covid) problem. I wonder if they'll call it 'Don't eat out to help out?'

[Millennial Snowflake]

Diane Abbott would be proud of this maths.

[Max B Gold]

Diane Abbott would be proud of this maths.

Don't even get me started on his pronunciation of pcent instead of percent.

[MungOgogo]

Diane Abbott would be proud of this maths.

Don't even get me started on his pronunciation of pcent instead of percent.

I'd happily stay at home for 6 years on £500k

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Pretti Patel would be proud of this maths.

[Max B Gold]

How many zeros in 37 billion?

There aren't 68m adults in the UK.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

How many zeros in 37 billion?

Three hundred thousand and thirty four, nine hundred and seventy four thousand.

[Max B Gold]

How many zeros in 37 billion?

Three hundred thousand and thirty four, nine hundred and seventy four thousand.

So more than even a math guy to understand.

[faldO]

Surprising how many things you can get wrong in a single tweet...I counted 6.

[StillSpike]

He's as bad at maths as Priti Patel.

[Dunners]

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Taking it on the chin.