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Posted: **Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:04 pm**

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:52 am
Admin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:15 am Backroom PM Hunt expected to announce the support package for energy costs will only run till April.

Don't you love the way we're all paying for Truss's idiocy? So much for the IEA / Tax Payers Alliance free market bullshit.
Hopefully, and if there's any positives to be taken from this, it will mean these thinktanks will now be shunned by any serious politician for the foreseeable future.

As for the energy price cap, I read this as admittance that UK government is unable to fund consumption subsidies for everyone beyond 6 months. This could have big consequences for the political landscape leading up to the next GE, and for Ukraine.

Fingers cross that I'll never clap eyes on that f*cking awful Kate Andrews ever again. I will make an exception if she and the rest of her free market wankers are chased into the sea - the damage these Dummies and their political chums have inflicted on this country is immeasurable.

Labour only costed the fuel assistance to April as well. Think both parties are hoping for a long hot summer.

Posted: **Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:12 pm**

Why don’t we just ask the Consultancy companies for the billions we wasted on them, pretending to be delivering a “World class” Track & Trace system?

I’m sure all those consultants won’t mind selling their new Ferraris and Maseratis to help out.

Posted: **Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:24 pm**

Will Liz be available for PMQ this week ?

Posted: **Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:26 pm**

Public services are gonna get shredded by the sounds of it. Hunt is acting like a palliative clinician who's explaining to us why there's zero chance of recovery.

15 years of economic stagnation and the self damage caused by 2016 is coming home to roost. Reckon we'll be back in the single market by end of decade, no matter how hot under the collar a small minority get about sovereignty, indignation doesn't heat homes or put dinner on the table. Any easy economic wins are going to look harder and harder to resist, looking at any indicator post referendum - foreign direct investment, trade deficit, exports, gilt rates, strength of pound etc - it speaks for itself. And worse than all of those economic barriers we've imposed on ourselves is the quality of leadership and governance Brexit's contradictions have demanded we get. Only fantasists and snake oil salesmen can lead when you've been sold a fundamentally f*cked prospectus for the country's future.

Hope Starmer is sitting on some big brain ideas on how to get growth going, cause he's going to be taking over a car crash of an economy and wrecked of public finances.

Posted: **Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:33 pm**

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:26 pm
Hope Starmer is sitting on some big brain ideas on how to get growth going, cause he's going to be taking over a car crash of an economy and wrecked of public finances.

Spoiler - he isn't. His tactic so far has been to stand back and let the Tories f*** it all up. Fair enough as a pragmatic approach but windfall taxes aside, I aint seen much to encourage us.

Posted: **Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:39 pm**

I think Mista has nailed it. Starmer could find himself in a situation where joining the single market will be a no-brainer in terms of getting growth going again. So much so that it may even have cross-party support.

As for cuts to public services, I can say with absolute certainly that there's no more fat to trim. These will be brutal, so best for Labour to let the Tories own the moment.

Posted: **Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:01 pm**

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:26 pm Public services are gonna get shredded by the sounds of it. Hunt is acting like a palliative clinician who's explaining to us why there's zero chance of recovery.

15 years of economic stagnation and the self damage caused by 2016 is coming home to roost. Reckon we'll be back in the single market by end of decade, no matter how hot under the collar a small minority get about sovereignty, indignation doesn't heat homes or put dinner on the table. Any easy economic wins are going to look harder and harder to resist, looking at any indicator post referendum - foreign direct investment, trade deficit, exports, gilt rates, strength of pound etc - it speaks for itself. And worse than all of those economic barriers we've imposed on ourselves is the quality of leadership and governance Brexit's contradictions have demanded we get. Only fantasists and snake oil salesmen can lead when you've been sold a fundamentally f*cked prospectus for the country's future.

Hope Starmer is sitting on some big brain ideas on how to get growth going, cause he's going to be taking over a car crash of an economy and wrecked of public finances.

Control of our own destiny , oops they forgot about the worlds traders , cant control them .

Posted: **Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:03 pm**

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:01 pm
Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:26 pm Public services are gonna get shredded by the sounds of it. Hunt is acting like a palliative clinician who's explaining to us why there's zero chance of recovery.

15 years of economic stagnation and the self damage caused by 2016 is coming home to roost. Reckon we'll be back in the single market by end of decade, no matter how hot under the collar a small minority get about sovereignty, indignation doesn't heat homes or put dinner on the table. Any easy economic wins are going to look harder and harder to resist, looking at any indicator post referendum - foreign direct investment, trade deficit, exports, gilt rates, strength of pound etc - it speaks for itself. And worse than all of those economic barriers we've imposed on ourselves is the quality of leadership and governance Brexit's contradictions have demanded we get. Only fantasists and snake oil salesmen can lead when you've been sold a fundamentally f*cked prospectus for the country's future.

Hope Starmer is sitting on some big brain ideas on how to get growth going, cause he's going to be taking over a car crash of an economy and wrecked of public finances.
Control of our own destiny , oops they forgot about the worlds traders , cant control them .

Yes we can. Semtex & Armalites.

Posted: **Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:04 pm**

Admin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:33 pm
Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:26 pm
Hope Starmer is sitting on some big brain ideas on how to get growth going, cause he's going to be taking over a car crash of an economy and wrecked of public finances.
Spoiler - he isn't. His tactic so far has been to stand back and let the Tories f*** it all up. Fair enough as a pragmatic approach but windfall taxes aside, I aint seen much to encourage us.

His tactics for getting into power aren't going to be the same as what Labour will do if/when they are there. And I don't see why Labour would bother 'selling' big policy ideas when they are going to get drowned out by whatever new cluster f*ck the Tories have started that week.

Basic competence and evidence based decision making, which we haven't had for half a decade now, will be a good starting point either way.

Posted: **Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:31 pm**

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:03 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:01 pm
Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:26 pm Public services are gonna get shredded by the sounds of it. Hunt is acting like a palliative clinician who's explaining to us why there's zero chance of recovery.

15 years of economic stagnation and the self damage caused by 2016 is coming home to roost. Reckon we'll be back in the single market by end of decade, no matter how hot under the collar a small minority get about sovereignty, indignation doesn't heat homes or put dinner on the table. Any easy economic wins are going to look harder and harder to resist, looking at any indicator post referendum - foreign direct investment, trade deficit, exports, gilt rates, strength of pound etc - it speaks for itself. And worse than all of those economic barriers we've imposed on ourselves is the quality of leadership and governance Brexit's contradictions have demanded we get. Only fantasists and snake oil salesmen can lead when you've been sold a fundamentally f*cked prospectus for the country's future.

Hope Starmer is sitting on some big brain ideas on how to get growth going, cause he's going to be taking over a car crash of an economy and wrecked of public finances.
Control of our own destiny , oops they forgot about the worlds traders , cant control them .
Yes we can. Semtex & Armalites.

Thats for protests ! How do we find the market players to control them ?

Posted: **Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:55 pm**

She's bottled it for this afternoon. No way can a PM hide from a financial crisis. This must mean she's resigning.

Posted: **Mon Oct 17, 2022 2:29 pm**

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:55 pm She's bottled it for this afternoon. No way can a PM hide from a financial crisis. This must mean she's resigning.

I don’t feel sorry for her, because her own ego has got her into this mess. It must be infuriating to try to do thing your way, and shake things up, regardless of the moral of that, only to see these invisible forces come in and not let you. And the fact that clearly her whole adult life has been geared towards this job and she’s going to lose it within 6 weeks.
But surely the process needs looking at? Surely, electing a new leader, or in this case, a new PM, the process should weed out the people not suitable? Can only assume she got in because it suited people like Boris and Gove. Or just a boot into Rishi.

Posted: **Mon Oct 17, 2022 2:42 pm**

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 2:29 pm
Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:55 pm She's bottled it for this afternoon. No way can a PM hide from a financial crisis. This must mean she's resigning.
I don’t feel sorry for her, because her own ego has got her into this mess. It must be infuriating to try to do thing your way, and shake things up, regardless of the moral of that, only to see these invisible forces come in and not let you. And the fact that clearly her whole adult life has been geared towards this job and she’s going to lose it within 6 weeks.
But surely the process needs looking at? Surely, electing a new leader, or in this case, a new PM, the process should weed out the people not suitable? Can only assume she got in because it suited people like Boris and Gove. Or just a boot into Rishi.

Brexit - and the consequent cull of any minister not 100% ideologically pure and loyal to the cult - looks like it's weeded out most if not all of the people who might have been suitable. Perhaps that's deliberate.

Posted: **Mon Oct 17, 2022 2:56 pm**

StillSpike wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 2:42 pm
Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 2:29 pm
Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:55 pm She's bottled it for this afternoon. No way can a PM hide from a financial crisis. This must mean she's resigning.
I don’t feel sorry for her, because her own ego has got her into this mess. It must be infuriating to try to do thing your way, and shake things up, regardless of the moral of that, only to see these invisible forces come in and not let you. And the fact that clearly her whole adult life has been geared towards this job and she’s going to lose it within 6 weeks.
But surely the process needs looking at? Surely, electing a new leader, or in this case, a new PM, the process should weed out the people not suitable? Can only assume she got in because it suited people like Boris and Gove. Or just a boot into Rishi.
Brexit - and the consequent cull of any minister not 100% ideologically pure and loyal to the cult - looks like it's weeded out most if not all of the people who might have been suitable. Perhaps that's deliberate.

Rees-Moogeth playing the long game and the next PM?

Posted: **Mon Oct 17, 2022 3:54 pm**

Mordaunt
"Our fine record in office since 2010 "

Posted: **Mon Oct 17, 2022 4:01 pm**

Rees-Mogg in charge would be time to consider emigration.

A rich Hedge Fund owner, a Catholic in the 18th century mould, an arrogant, lying piece of merde. I can see why he might be the man to lead the Tories.

Posted: **Mon Oct 17, 2022 4:21 pm**

Watching Penny Mordaunt fielding questions in the HoC in Truss's absence is proper cringe. Mordaunt barely even bothering.

Posted: **Mon Oct 17, 2022 4:29 pm**

There is no coup

Posted: **Mon Oct 17, 2022 4:31 pm**

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 4:29 pm There is no coup

Is that Kwasis son ?

Posted: **Mon Oct 17, 2022 4:36 pm**

She looks like she is on spice or something

Posted: **Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:02 pm**

Still no reduction on Bankers Bonus tax

Posted: **Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:45 am**

Posted: **Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:54 am**

We want our money back

Posted: **Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:17 am**

How much of that £20 billion found a new home with rich speculators and their pals?

Posted: **Tue Oct 18, 2022 3:44 pm**

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:17 am How much of that £20 billion found a new home with rich speculators and their pals?

£ 25 BILLION

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