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BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 4:12 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:41 pm https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63230001

Jacob He's Smug talking bullsh!t as usual
This time about the mini budget

Lying C#nt !!

Broadly implies that its' the BOE's fault for not raising interest rates enough, and then takes a swipe at the BBC's lack of impartiality. Two of the favourite scapegoats currently doing the rounds for the lying scumbags. They have no shame - or integrity - or morals - or empathy - or etc, etc

They are a total shambles aren't they?

Im considering writing to the Vatican to get him Excorcised !!

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 4:19 pm

This really made me chuckle , well done Scotlanshire !

Thats an M&S fridge.

But anyway, who is in charge now?

Hunt is effectively acting PM right now. He's the de-facto unelected head of the UK Government delivering a range of fiscal policies over which there is no mandate.

Why is there no mandate, out of interest?

We don’t elect a president, we elect a party to rule? Don’t get me wrong the system is f*cked but I didn’t really get it when Boris was banging on about having this mandate to be PM.

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:08 am Why is there no mandate, out of interest?

We don’t elect a president, we elect a party to rule? Don’t get me wrong the system is f*cked but I didn’t really get it when Boris was banging on about having this mandate to be PM.

We elect politicians based on a manifesto (as imperfect and broken as a manifesto usually is).

Boris had a mandate as PM as he was the Tory Leader and won a landslide majority in a General Election of the back of the 2019 manifesto (Get Brexit done, Levelling Up etc etc).

Even Truss had a mandate of sorts, as she was elected by the Tory membership based on her manifesto to them.

Truss has had to appoint Hunt as Chancellor, and he is now about to implement a range of policies which the Tory membership didn't vote for, and which is polar opposite to anything in either Truss's leadership bid or the 2019 election manifesto. Therefore, there is no mandate.

But isn't it just that the Tory party have a mandate i.e. a majority of Tory MPs and therefore, they can basically do what they want until the next election?

That's not a mandate. That's a consequence of our system of government.

Although you are right that they can do pretty much what they like, unless more then 35 Tory MPs are willing to vote against their own party.

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 10:00 am That's not a mandate. That's a consequence of our system of government.

Although you are right that they can do pretty much what they like, unless more then 35 Tory MPs are willing to vote against their own party.

As much as there are at least 35 stinkin, filthy, dirty Tory rats who believe their party has been hijacked by far right extremists, they don't have the balls to vote against it.

Interesting. The sort of thing one has come to expect from Dunners.

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 10:00 am That's not a mandate. That's a consequence of our system of government.

Although you are right that they can do pretty much what they like, unless more then 35 Tory MPs are willing to vote against their own party.

When was this ‘mandate’ nonsense first invented?

Every Government has to make decisions based on circumstances at the time.

TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 10:40 am

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 10:00 am That's not a mandate. That's a consequence of our system of government.

Although you are right that they can do pretty much what they like, unless more then 35 Tory MPs are willing to vote against their own party.

When was this ‘mandate’ nonsense first invented?

Every Government has to make decisions based on circumstances at the time.

8.57am this morning.

But seriously. Was this a thing before Boris and Brexit, having a mandate?

TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:10 am But seriously. Was this a thing before Boris and Brexit, having a mandate?

Yes. Cameron included the straight in / out referendum in his 2015 manifesto and some commentators say the opportunity for many racists and gammons to have their moment and tell Europe to f*** off is why the Tories unexpectedly did better at that election than predicted.

Backroom PM Hunt expected to announce the support package for energy costs will only run till April.

Don't you love the way we're all paying for Truss's idiocy? So much for the IEA / Tax Payers Alliance free market bullshit.

Apparently, Liz Truss is depressed.

Wait till she finds out everyone hates her.

This is not the behaviour of a serious developed country. Maybe Project Fear was right all along.

Hunt has just destroyed her. Even if Tory MPs don't ditch her, how can she carry on, even in a titular capacity? Even she must have some level of self-respect.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:26 am This is not the behaviour of a serious developed country. Maybe Project Fear was right all along.

It has "South Amercian Military General delivers words of reassurance to the nation" vibes.

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:26 am Hunt has just destroyed her. Even if Tory MPs don't ditch her, how can she carry on, even in a titular capacity? Even she must have some level of self-respect.

Think you're over relying on the supposition that she had some to start with.

There's just no hiding from it anymore. We're now one of "those" countries, and everyone knows it.

Why on earth dont they just windfall tax the energy giants?

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:41 am Why on earth dont they just windfall tax the energy giants?

Admin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:15 am Backroom PM Hunt expected to announce the support package for energy costs will only run till April.

Don't you love the way we're all paying for Truss's idiocy? So much for the IEA / Tax Payers Alliance free market bullshit.

Hopefully, and if there's any positives to be taken from this, it will mean these thinktanks will now be shunned by any serious politician for the foreseeable future.

As for the energy price cap, I read this as admittance that UK government is unable to fund consumption subsidies for everyone beyond 6 months. This could have big consequences for the political landscape leading up to the next GE, and for Ukraine.