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Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:49 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:28 pm I said to one of my mates at work this evening how come we haven't seen Ollie Watkins yet play a single minute . He comes on tonight and pops in the winner . I think he's got to play on Sunday because he brings something different to our forward line . Although I think Spain has been the best team in the tournament so far it's now just a one off game so anything can happen . COME ON ENGLAND !!!!

Southgate will pick Kane even though he looks tired out and slow. Hope Trippier does not start again as left back.

LPE wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:01 pm It’s going to be interesting watching that in an Edinburgh boozer this Sunday.

I’m sure they’ll be so much love for us from our Scottish cousins.

EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:13 am Part of me thinks with the talent we have available I should not be surprised that we have again made the Euro final; part of me thinks we were lucky to get beyond the round of 16 having been largely unimpressive in the group stages.

For a while last night, first half especially, we did play with some belief and positivity, and we were good. Do tend to agree that Kane doesn’t look 100% though, and for me it was never a penalty. But well done all, fingers crossed for Sunday, Spain have to be favourites though.

EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:13 am Part of me thinks with the talent we have available

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:05 am People wonder why Sourhgate sets up so boringly, so defensively yet the two occasions we went full on press last night, Holland ripped through us with ease.

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:06 am Mainoo was quality last night wasn't he? 19 years old. Loves getting the ball and making himself available. Won loads of tackles high up, isn't afraid of a shot. He'll be world class by the next euros.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:04 am

EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:13 am Part of me thinks with the talent we have available

This is just nonsense.

Bellingham would get into any team in the Euros. Kane, Saka and Foden would feature in most. But the rest of them - Pickford, the back line and Rice and Mainoo - wouldn’t trouble most of the quarter finalists starting line ups. (Mainoo will in time, just not yet).

Southgate has done a fantastic job getting a workmanlike like group with a smattering of qualiry players to progress so far, so frequently.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:59 am Spain haven’t lost a competitive game since losing to Scotland 2-0 in March 2023 with Englishman Scott McTominay scoring twice

Since then they’ve won 14 competitive games in a row

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:59 am Spain haven’t lost a competitive game since losing to Scotland 2-0 in March 2023 with Englishman Scott McTominay scoring twice

Since then they’ve won 14 competitive games in a row

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:35 am I have no idea how you watch that match, see that the two subs combine for a winner, and think that Southgate has 'got away with it'. That looks like great management to me.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:59 am Spain haven’t lost a competitive game since losing to Scotland 2-0 in March 2023 with Englishman Scott McTominay scoring twice

Since then they’ve won 14 competitive games in a row

Give it to Jabo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:12 am

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:35 am I have no idea how you watch that match, see that the two subs combine for a winner, and think that Southgate has 'got away with it'. That looks like great management to me.

Point, but the game was drifting away from England. Great subs 10-15 minutes earlier would have been ideal. No room for slacking against Spain.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:25 am
Stones and Walker are not 'workmanlike' . You can draw from any international team their weakest parts and say actually they aren't that good. France had a midfield of Kante and Rabiot, Spain have Laporte and Cucurella at the back, Portugal still had the ghost of Ronaldo up top, Germany would kill for our striking or full back options.

Talent wise going into the tournament, I thought that we were behind Portugal, France and maybe Germany. Spain have definitely surprised me. But assuming a fortunate run in, semis/final is absolutely where we should be getting to with the squad we have. Southgate deserved immense credit for actually delivering on that, having overachieved in 2018 and arguably 2020.

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:13 am

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:59 am Spain haven’t lost a competitive game since losing to Scotland 2-0 in March 2023 with Englishman Scott McTominay scoring twice

Since then they’ve won 14 competitive games in a row

This is a really good point.

Spain have demonstrated that they can slip up, even if it's to a glorified England B-team back in March 2023. They'll still be favourites for Sunday, as they'll be more focused on winning the game in hand, but the proper England team have a chance. And I'm sure all the home nations will get behind England on Sunday.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:27 am
Winning the European Cup with Jordan f**king Pickford in goal would be totally insane.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:27 am

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:25 am
Stones and Walker are not 'workmanlike' . You can draw from any international team their weakest parts and say actually they aren't that good. France had a midfield of Kante and Rabiot, Spain have Laporte and Cucurella at the back, Portugal still had the ghost of Ronaldo up top, Germany would kill for our striking or full back options.

Talent wise going into the tournament, I thought that we were behind Portugal, France and maybe Germany. Spain have definitely surprised me. But assuming a fortunate run in, semis/final is absolutely where we should be getting to with the squad we have. Southgate deserved immense credit for actually delivering on that, having overachieved in 2018 and arguably 2020.

I wonder if other nations do this over-hyping of their own players, believing them to be better than they are in comparison to foreigners, or if it's just an English thing?

Winning the European Cup with Jordan f**king Pickford in goal would be totally insane.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:27 am

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:25 am
Stones and Walker are not 'workmanlike' . You can draw from any international team their weakest parts and say actually they aren't that good. France had a midfield of Kante and Rabiot, Spain have Laporte and Cucurella at the back, Portugal still had the ghost of Ronaldo up top, Germany would kill for our striking or full back options.

Talent wise going into the tournament, I thought that we were behind Portugal, France and maybe Germany. Spain have definitely surprised me. But assuming a fortunate run in, semis/final is absolutely where we should be getting to with the squad we have. Southgate deserved immense credit for actually delivering on that, having overachieved in 2018 and arguably 2020.

I wonder if other nations do this over-hyping of their own players, believing them to be better than they are in comparison to foreigners, or if it's just an English thing?

Winning the European Cup with Jordan f**king Pickford in goal would be totally insane.