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Don’t think we can blame Cummin’s for the behaviour of Jews in Stamford hill , or any other large groups breaking lockdown rules.
But are we at the stage now where we can discuss where boarders think we could have done better.
Personally I don’t believe we could have. We could never have a complete lockdown. Our links with Europe and trade through the tunnel would never allow that.
Even had we been stricter with travel to and from the UK , I doubt figures would have been different.
I still believe, as I always have , that protecting the elderly would have been cheaper and easier than closing the economy. All the money wasted on various schemes could have been spent on looking after this section of the population.
I suppose the failures would have to include Track and trace , PPE , and testing in the early stages and our failure to learn from this by the 2nd wave.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:58 pm The daily deaths 'reported' do not all occur on the same day.

Relentless

BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:42 am

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:10 am 400 person wedding broken up in Stamford Hill

Damn you Dominic Cummings!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55764673

Damn all religious loons who think they have a god-given right to do what they want to do. Before the sh*t hits, that goes for ALL, I repeat, ALL religions and ALL shapes, sizes, and colour of the associated loons.

What has this got to do with religion? You don't have to be religious to get married, do you.

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:36 am I hope no one gets this virus

However if any one has first hand awareness of any poor reaction to the vaccine I would appreciate knowing what occurred

I trust this request does not upset anyone - if they have lost anyone

Appreciate this doesn't fit the criteria but it's an example of someone who has and the benefit.

My Nan in her mid 80s, who lost her husband just before lockdown started and has been in and out of hospital for the last two years had it 10 days ago and finally feels like she can go outside again without being scared.

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:36 am I hope no one gets this virus

However if any one has first hand awareness of any poor reaction to the vaccine I would appreciate knowing what occurred

I trust this request does not upset anyone - if they have lost anyone

I have a slightly sore upper arm, and last night had had a very slight headache. But other than that I'm perfectly fine.

Actually, "perfectly fine" may be pushing it a bit. Perhaps "no worse than usual" would be more accurate.

Wife got vaccinated. Sore head. Nothing more.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:27 pm Wife got vaccinated. Sore head. Nothing more.

Ah, the old 'headache' excuse.

My mates mum had both jabs before Christmas.recently she was in close contact with someone with virus and she is fine after 3 swabs.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... fatalities

Its as we suspected. Government cheating on the Covid death numbers. Excess deaths being significantly under recorded.

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:23 pm

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:36 am I hope no one gets this virus

However if any one has first hand awareness of any poor reaction to the vaccine I would appreciate knowing what occurred

I trust this request does not upset anyone - if they have lost anyone

I have a slightly sore upper arm, and last night had had a very slight headache. But other than that I'm perfectly fine.

Actually, "perfectly fine" may be pushing it a bit. Perhaps "no worse than usual" would be more accurate.

Lovely to hear this.

Also, apropos of absolutely nothing :

https://novaramedia.com/2021/01/21/the- ... -about-it/

Considering this virus is on the brink of wiping out humanity, the NHS cant cope etc etc etc ...Why are the Test Centres so bloody quiet ???

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:51 pm I'll do the deaths count first today to avoid offending Ronnie : another 1,290 sadly, though much down on yesterday's. In reality, the figures reported yesterday were probably too high and today too low because of the usual reporting quirks. Will be good if anyone can post up the actuals (and link to where those come from)

Patients admitted to hospital trend is now turning (down 1.1%) and new infections are down by 25% in the last seven days too. 300k+ vaccines reported to have been administered in the past day too So good news on these counts.

1,401 new deaths reported today. Patients admitted down by 3.2% in the last seven days and cases down by 25% again today. Glad that patients admitted due to Corona is down by a very small amount again though obviously pressure on the NHS will persist given that even without Corona this is the busiest quarter of the year.

409k vaccines administed too since the last update.

Mum had her first jab last week , no problems so far

PutneyO wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:35 pm Considering this virus is on the brink of wiping out humanity, the NHS cant cope etc etc etc ...Why are the Test Centres so bloody quiet ???

What’s the point of having a test , apart from morbid curiosity, if you are isolating as you should be. It simply adds to the figures of misery. If you are not showing any signs , or suffering cold like symptoms, why clog the test centres up. Just continue isolating.

George wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:23 pm

PutneyO wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:35 pm Considering this virus is on the brink of wiping out humanity, the NHS cant cope etc etc etc ...Why are the Test Centres so bloody quiet ???

What’s the point of having a test , apart from morbid curiosity, if you are isolating as you should be. It simply adds to the figures of misery. If you are not showing any signs , or suffering cold like symptoms, why clog the test centres up. Just continue isolating.

So why have the LEAs opened up test centres throughout the country and paying their staff a fortune in wages just to sit there and do nothing?

78% increase from the peak in April .

So although virus numbers are falling
The NHS is in serious trouble if the virus takes off again .

Yet we're Still not in Full Lockdown .

No wonder people are still breaking rules !

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:50 pm 78% increase from the peak in April .

So although virus numbers are falling
The NHS is in serious trouble if the virus takes off again .

Yet we're Still not in Full Lockdown .

No wonder people are still breaking rules !

Yeah, this is the problem. Despite hospitalisations falling very slightly (haven't sig tested, but can't imagine it's a significant decrease) this time of year is a lot busier for the NHS than April so it's going to need a big drop in coronavirus hospitalisations to make a difference. And non covid suffering people are going to die because they can't get to hospital quickly enough or can't be treated quickly enough.

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:05 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:50 pm 78% increase from the peak in April .

So although virus numbers are falling
The NHS is in serious trouble if the virus takes off again .

Yet we're Still not in Full Lockdown .

No wonder people are still breaking rules !

Yeah, this is the problem. Despite hospitalisations falling very slightly (haven't sig tested, but can't imagine it's a significant decrease) this time of year is a lot busier for the NHS than April so it's going to need a big drop in coronavirus hospitalisations to make a difference. And non covid suffering people are going to die because they can't get to hospital quickly enough or can't be treated quickly enough.

There has been almost no hospitalisation with flu this year, the hands ~ space~ face advice has had a dramatic effect on flu and the NHS/government weekly flu report shows barely any flu outbreaks of note.

Positive Covid tests measured against total tests this week running at 7.14% compared with 8.09 % last week.

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:31 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:05 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:50 pm 78% increase from the peak in April .

So although virus numbers are falling
The NHS is in serious trouble if the virus takes off again .

Yet we're Still not in Full Lockdown .

No wonder people are still breaking rules !

Yeah, this is the problem. Despite hospitalisations falling very slightly (haven't sig tested, but can't imagine it's a significant decrease) this time of year is a lot busier for the NHS than April so it's going to need a big drop in coronavirus hospitalisations to make a difference. And non covid suffering people are going to die because they can't get to hospital quickly enough or can't be treated quickly enough.

There has been almost no hospitalisation with flu this year, the hands ~ space~ face advice has had a dramatic effect on flu and the NHS/government weekly flu report shows barely any flu outbreaks of note.

Positive Covid tests measured against total tests this week running at 7.14% compared with 8.09 % last week.

But there are other ailments too - chest infection/breathing type illnesses for example too which would have an impact. If you can see the stats would you mind taking a look at that sort of thing too please (and can you link to it too please as the data you quote always seems far more specific than the more general stuff I put in this thread each day).

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... ort_w3.pdf

Flu data from page 29 onwards. Mentions chest infections and other respiratory illnesses. While there have been more incidences compared with the previous week the numbers are very low compared with previous years.

Hancock is caught on film telling the travel industry that the South African strain will make the covid jabs 50% less effective. He also went on to say if it takes hold in this country the. We will be back to square one. He also said he would not say this in public however, someone was videoing the conference / zoom call.

Oh dear.

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:06 pm Hancock is caught on film telling the travel industry that the South African strain will make the covid jabs 50% less effective. He also went on to say if it takes hold in this country the. We will be back to square one. He also said he would not say this in public however, someone was videoing the conference / zoom call.

Oh dear.

This?

There is evidence in the public domain, although we are not sure of this data so I wouldn't say this in public, but that the South African variant reduces by about 50% the vaccine efficacy."

The health secretary added: "We're testing that and we've got some of the South African variant in Porton Down, and we're testing it.

"We've got a clinical trial in South Africa to check that the AstraZeneca vaccine works.

Why not wait til the result of the trial is in? If it does make it less effective then I guess the strategy is vaccinate anyway while modifying the vaccine (which they said they could do in 6 weeks) and you're still offering a level of protection in the meantime.

EU vaccination programme suffers new blow
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55771223

So the magic pill being sold to the public is questionable. Israel has questioned its effictiness as cases and hospitalizations are not falling.

Israel is currently leading the global vaccination drive, with nearly 39 per cent of its citizens having had at least a single dose of a jab so far.

However, infection and death rates, as well as the numbers of people in hospital, have shown little sign of falling.

Latest figures show a further 7,027 tested positive for the virus on Thursday, with 64 new deaths from the disease. Out of 82,930 active cases, 1,918 are hospitalized. Last week, the hospitalisation figure was just over 1,000.

Addressing the apparent failure of the jab regime in cutting infection rates, Israel's top coronavirus medic said on Wednesday that the Pfizer vaccine was less effective than expected.

Real-world data from Israel's world-beating rollout showed the first dose led to a 33 per cent reduction in cases of coronavirus between 14 and 21 days afterwards in people who got the jab.

The figure is lower than the British regulator's estimate, which said it may prevent 89 per cent of recipients from getting Covid-19 symptoms.

But Sir Patrick, the UK's chief scientific adviser, told the Downing Street press conference on Friday that the Israeli data was 'very preliminary'.

We know that "full protection" only kicks in a week or so after the second dose, right?

But if you don't want your magic pill, I'll have it.