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Posted: **Tue Aug 06, 2024 8:08 pm**

StillSpike wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 8:04 pm
Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:54 pm
CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:45 pm It actually blows my mind that people will actually say out loud that they believe that far right rioting in August is the fault of the Labour Party who have been in power for a month.

It seems that part of the argument actually comprises “they shouldn’t have got in power then the far righties wouldn’t have been provoked!”
Just so I know the rules for the future….

How long do they have to be in power for until we can stop auto-blaming the Tories and start blaming the people running the country?
Well the Tories were still blaming Labour for "there's no money left" and the state of the Economy up to last year at least, so shall we say 13 years ?

That’s my point though, that was obviously a sly/clever ploy during the last regime, employed liberally in the first parliament.

At some point they’re going to be accountable for their actions. For example, if they’re still burning hotels in September it’s a legitimate question to ask why they haven’t gripped the situation

Posted: **Tue Aug 06, 2024 8:10 pm**

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:54 pm
CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:45 pm It actually blows my mind that people will actually say out loud that they believe that far right rioting in August is the fault of the Labour Party who have been in power for a month.

It seems that part of the argument actually comprises “they shouldn’t have got in power then the far righties wouldn’t have been provoked!”
Just so I know the rules for the future….

How long do they have to be in power for until we can stop auto-blaming the Tories and start blaming the people running the country?

The answer is “it depends”, with the specifics being, obviously, about how reasonable it is to have ecpevted the incumbents to have addressed the issue being discussed

Posted: **Tue Aug 06, 2024 8:21 pm**

CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 8:10 pm
Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:54 pm
CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:45 pm It actually blows my mind that people will actually say out loud that they believe that far right rioting in August is the fault of the Labour Party who have been in power for a month.

It seems that part of the argument actually comprises “they shouldn’t have got in power then the far righties wouldn’t have been provoked!”
Just so I know the rules for the future….

How long do they have to be in power for until we can stop auto-blaming the Tories and start blaming the people running the country?

The answer is “it depends”, with the specifics being, obviously, about how reasonable it is to have ecpevted the incumbents to have addressed the issue being discussed

If it’s a contentious one though where they’re blaming each other we need a mechanism to judge blame. Maybe a Boarding Court for the arbitration of blame? Politically neutral with a right and left winger and a neutral?

Beradogs, Sharky and Dunners to start with the judiciary rotating

Personally this is how I think reported posts should be judged as well

Posted: **Tue Aug 06, 2024 8:21 pm**

Posted: **Tue Aug 06, 2024 9:53 pm**

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 8:21 pm
CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 8:10 pm
Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:54 pm

Just so I know the rules for the future….

How long do they have to be in power for until we can stop auto-blaming the Tories and start blaming the people running the country?

The answer is “it depends”, with the specifics being, obviously, about how reasonable it is to have ecpevted the incumbents to have addressed the issue being discussed
If it’s a contentious one though where they’re blaming each other we need a mechanism to judge blame. Maybe a Boarding Court for the arbitration of blame? Politically neutral with a right and left winger and a neutral?

Beradogs, Sharky and Dunners to start with the judiciary rotating

Personally this is how I think reported posts should be judged as well

Is Beradogs the sensible centrist on the tribunal?

Posted: **Tue Aug 06, 2024 9:56 pm**

CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:45 pm It actually blows my mind that people will actually say out loud that they believe that far right rioting in August is the fault of the Labour Party who have been in power for a month.

It seems that part of the argument actually comprises “they shouldn’t have got in power then the far righties wouldn’t have been provoked!”

But the people rioting are doing so because we have a Labour government.

Posted: **Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:07 pm**

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 9:56 pm
CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:45 pm It actually blows my mind that people will actually say out loud that they believe that far right rioting in August is the fault of the Labour Party who have been in power for a month.

It seems that part of the argument actually comprises “they shouldn’t have got in power then the far righties wouldn’t have been provoked!”
But the people rioting are doing so because we have a Labour government.

Would these riots not have happened under the Tories?

Posted: **Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:17 pm**

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:07 pm
Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 9:56 pm
CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:45 pm It actually blows my mind that people will actually say out loud that they believe that far right rioting in August is the fault of the Labour Party who have been in power for a month.

It seems that part of the argument actually comprises “they shouldn’t have got in power then the far righties wouldn’t have been provoked!”
But the people rioting are doing so because we have a Labour government.
Would these riots not have happened under the Tories?

No. Starmer's lack of commitment to tackling the climate genocide was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Posted: **Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:41 pm**

Devil’s advocate….

He did scrap the Rwanda scheme on day one which was always a pipe dream but fodder and a natural suppressant to some of the loons who are kicking off

Posted: **Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:48 pm**

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:07 pm
Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 9:56 pm
CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:45 pm It actually blows my mind that people will actually say out loud that they believe that far right rioting in August is the fault of the Labour Party who have been in power for a month.

It seems that part of the argument actually comprises “they shouldn’t have got in power then the far righties wouldn’t have been provoked!”
But the people rioting are doing so because we have a Labour government.
Would these riots not have happened under the Tories?

No, I don't believe so.

A lot of people are very, very angry that we have a Labour government.

Posted: **Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:53 pm**

True, but what has Max got to do with these riots?

Posted: **Tue Aug 06, 2024 11:00 pm**

Sookmaboaby.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 12:15 am**

If Starmer thought that his biggest obstacle to governing the UK was to get rid of the lefties in Labour any which way he can - he is fast discovering that maybe governing isn't quite as simple as he thought.

Posted: **Thu Aug 08, 2024 4:41 pm**

Got to love the offence archeologists.

Posted: **Thu Aug 08, 2024 4:53 pm**

Heh. And the tweets were proper beauts too.

Posted: **Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:07 pm**

Don’t forget Wes

Posted: **Fri Aug 16, 2024 3:17 pm**

Given train drivers a pay rise to stop the strikes and then the drivers announce new wave of strikes

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:55 am**

Seems like Labour’s plans to address things they don’t like is to “treat them like terrorism”

First how they’ll “SMASH the boat gangs”

Now misogyny: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/0 ... overnment/

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:39 am**

Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims.

Seems reasonable to me. One man’s freedom fighter is another man’s grifty c*nt.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 4:19 pm**

Hopefully their plans to smash the boat gangs will start to be implemented at some point. No rush.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 5:00 pm**

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:39 am Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims.

Seems reasonable to me. One man’s freedom fighter is another man’s grifty c*nt.

Do you use Wikipedia for all your legal definitions?

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2024 1:25 pm**

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:48 pm
Long slender neck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:07 pm
Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 9:56 pm

But the people rioting are doing so because we have a Labour government.
Would these riots not have happened under the Tories?
No, I don't believe so.

A lot of people are very, very angry that we have a Labour government.

Not just any old Labour government but an austerity one, very similar to the Tories. Will this make them angry or just a bit annoyed?

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2024 1:59 pm**

Max B Gold:- " Sookmaboaby ".

Must surely be the alter ego of Jermaine Jenas

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2024 4:36 pm**

Things will get worse then betterrrr, get worse then beterrrr, then plateau for a while

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2024 4:40 pm**

But they're not even promising jam tomorrow. I suspect there's no spending room left on the credit card. The Tories have Maxed it out.

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