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Charity is a cold grey loveless thing. If a rich man wants to help the poor, he should pay his taxes gladly, not dole out money at a whim.

Major Attlee

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 5:27 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 5:18 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 4:55 pm Free money for rich boomers being framed as social justice is great

Its not free money. Rich boomers pay tax and are entitled to benefit the same as everyone else.

Spoken like a true blue blooded boomer Tory

Top level selective quoting and ignoring the reasoning behind what I said. Post was FAIL.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 5:49 pm Charity is a cold grey loveless thing. If a rich man wants to help the poor, he should pay his taxes gladly, not dole out money at a whim.

Major Attlee

Cheered me up no end when all the tax evaders got squat during the Covid crisis.

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 5:53 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 5:49 pm Charity is a cold grey loveless thing. If a rich man wants to help the poor, he should pay his taxes gladly, not dole out money at a whim.

Major Attlee

Cheered me up no end when all the tax evaders got squat during the Covid crisis.

Yes that was amusing. In the years used to calculate the covid money I had been putting in the hours to finance some Euro road trips so I was quids in when it came to getting the free money. Basically funded a deposit for daughters first house.

Seems to me that Reeves is into bluster big time, presenting as outraged about the Tory party destruction while in charge but then imposes measures to make the 'just about managing' pay more. Withdrawing the winter fuel allowance just because the rules said that the obscenely rich were also eligible, shows that she has very little awareness or care of the reality for millions of people who will now genuinely struggle with fuel bills.

E10EU wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2024 12:44 am Seems to me that Reeves is into bluster big time, presenting as outraged about the Tory party destruction while in charge but then imposes measures to make the 'just about managing' pay more. Withdrawing the winter fuel allowance just because the rules said that the obscenely rich were also eligible, shows that she has very little awareness or care of the reality for millions of people who will now genuinely struggle with fuel bills.

Its not only the obscenely rich who didn't need it, totally wasted on so many retired people of pension age
in fact a lot of pensioners didn't need it either, an awful lot are doing rather nicely
Its generally known as "Christmas Money" by a large amount of older people and i've heard it described as that numerous times.
Millions will not struggle over the loss of 200 quid a year, inflation busting pension increase of 8.5% is nearly five times that amount.

The old of which I am one have done somewhat better than the current younger generation especially private pension wise.
Many will now have to work until they are nearly seventy and others have little or no chance of owning their own home.
My generation also had free university education available or decent apprenticeship schemes with proper work contracts.
Many youngsters gave up a lot to help the aged during Covid, doesn't hurt the old for once to give something back.

First thing they've had to pay for and listen to the moaning. They should try being young in todays world.

Yeah. Us younger generation have it much tougher.

Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:39 am Yeah. Us younger generation have it much tougher.

Time to get up off of your knees and fight the olds for the crumbs from the billionaires table.

Not sure who's side I'm on, as am at that awkward age

Seems to be a lot of old folk who never bothered to pay into a pension and expect a handout

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:58 pm Seems to be a lot of old folk who never bothered to pay into a pension and expect a handout

It's a bit ironic that the folk that have never bothered to pay into a pension, will be the ones getting the handout.

Rewarding bad choices is Labour 101

Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2024 9:02 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:58 pm Seems to be a lot of old folk who never bothered to pay into a pension and expect a handout

It's a bit ironic that the folk that have never bothered to pay into a pension, will be the ones getting the handout.

You're quite right, I've no idea what I'm on about as usual.

I wonder if this is the most challenging start a new government has had for quite a while.
Riots, prisons full, MPs rebelling in the first few weeks, reducing benefits for pensioners, doctors strike, GPs strike…etc

Season 1 of The Toolmaker's Son is turning out to be a blast.

Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2024 9:02 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:58 pm Seems to be a lot of old folk who never bothered to pay into a pension and expect a handout

It's a bit ironic that the folk that have never bothered to pay into a pension, will be the ones getting the handout.

Exactly . Why bother working hard all your life and saving a bit of money . Might as well blow it all on wine , women and song . Then when you get to old age somebody else ( mug ) can pay to look after you .

J1MB0B wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 12:42 pm I wonder if this is the most challenging start a new government has had for quite a while.
Riots, prisons full, MPs rebelling in the first few weeks, reducing benefits for pensioners, doctors strike, GPs strike…etc

While in opposition Labour could talk the talk . Now they are in government they have to walk the walk . So far things don't look very promising .

This Labour Govt will prove to be the worst thing that's ever happened to Britain.

Ski Sunday wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:06 pm This Labour Govt will prove to be the worst thing that's ever happened to Britain.

Agreed. Everything had been going so well up until 4 July.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 3:39 pm

Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2024 9:02 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:58 pm Seems to be a lot of old folk who never bothered to pay into a pension and expect a handout

It's a bit ironic that the folk that have never bothered to pay into a pension, will be the ones getting the handout.

Exactly . Why bother working hard all your life and saving a bit of money . Might as well blow it all on wine , women and song . Then when you get to old age somebody else ( mug ) can pay to look after you .

Yeah, what a life it must be on 220 quid a week

Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:27 pm

Ski Sunday wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:06 pm This Labour Govt will prove to be the worst thing that's ever happened to Britain.

Agreed. Everything had been going so well up until 4 July.

Must be wild being one of these right wingers. Not only ethic bankrupt but constantly wrong as well

It actually blows my mind that people will actually say out loud that they believe that far right rioting in August is the fault of the Labour Party who have been in power for a month.

It seems that part of the argument actually comprises “they shouldn’t have got in power then the far righties wouldn’t have been provoked!”

CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:45 pm It actually blows my mind that people will actually say out loud that they believe that far right rioting in August is the fault of the Labour Party who have been in power for a month.

It seems that part of the argument actually comprises “they shouldn’t have got in power then the far righties wouldn’t have been provoked!”

Just so I know the rules for the future….

How long do they have to be in power for until we can stop auto-blaming the Tories and start blaming the people running the country?

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:54 pm

CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:45 pm It actually blows my mind that people will actually say out loud that they believe that far right rioting in August is the fault of the Labour Party who have been in power for a month.

It seems that part of the argument actually comprises “they shouldn’t have got in power then the far righties wouldn’t have been provoked!”

Just so I know the rules for the future….

How long do they have to be in power for until we can stop auto-blaming the Tories and start blaming the people running the country?

Well the Tories were still blaming Labour for "there's no money left" and the state of the Economy up to last year at least, so shall we say 13 years ?