Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 10:45 am Oh no! Things are worse than we thought so now we’ve got no choice but to put up tax

https://www.thetimes.com/article/62afef ... 67ed6555de

Good. I have no problem paying more tax to try and fix 14 years worth of Tory mismanagement and corruption.

I just hope that the main thrust of any increase in tax is aimed at the rich and tax dodging corporations.

Are you rich?

"Labour has ruled out increasing income tax, VAT or national insurance, but has left the door open to changes in capital gains tax or cutting other tax reliefs....."

This seems fair enough. A small increase in CGT shouldn't harm growth, but hopefully they don't diminish incentives for household savings, investments and pensions.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 10:57 am Are you rich?

He's a member of the "second home abroad" club. As all us true lefties should be.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 10:57 am Are you rich?

No

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 10:58 am

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 10:57 am Are you rich?

He's a member of the "second home abroad" club. As all us true lefties should be.

No more, alas. Sold up and invested the capital in both my kids homes..... return is non-existent regrettably.

BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 11:28 am

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 10:57 am Are you rich?

No

So how much more tax would you like to pay?

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 11:30 am

BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 11:28 am

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 10:57 am Are you rich?

No

So how much more tax would you like to pay?

About this ...................... much.

So you don’t want to pay more tax?

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 11:33 am So you don’t want to pay more tax?

Desperate or what? I have just stated I'd be happy to pay more tax. Do you want a 30 minute or 1 hour argument sir? Bye.

Not interested in arguing, I’m just curious how much more tax you want to pay? I.e a figure

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 11:56 am Not interested in arguing, I’m just curious how much more tax you want to pay? I.e a figure

OK - I'll respond on that basis - answer is that I don't have a figure in mind. Also, I haven't considered what tax might be increased. As Dunners has pointed out, it doesn't have to be income tax.

My comment was a general one, and one which a recent poll agreed with, that many people would willingly pay a little more tax if some of the failing services in the UK - NHS, social care, education, for example - could be improved.

Interesting, thanks

I can't see what's wrong with those that can afford it, paying a bit more tax.

They've had it very good under 14 years of the Tories, and even paying a little bit more tax would still see them better off than they were 14 years ago.

I read Elton John say he would be happy to pay a bit more tax, to help our public services.

Tories took the tax burden to the highest level in 70 years and it’s set to rise without taking into account any taxes Labour plan to raise

Qin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 12:10 pm I can't see what's wrong with those that can afford it, paying a bit more tax.

They've had it very good under 14 years of the Tories, and even paying a little bit more tax would still see them better off than they were 14 years ago.

I read Elton John say he would be happy to pay a bit more tax, to help our public services.

Can I just say that its taxing wealth, land and asset ownership that is important.

Not more tax on the simple man (on under 100k).

Before the General Election the pronouncements coming from Labour was all about the horrors created by the Tories and that Labour has the answers and determination to make it better. In the last week Labour's talk has become all about the depth of horrors (deficit, state of social care, etc) they are just discovering ......Really?? I wonder whether this messaging is about making people feel that 'getting just thin gruel' is the best they can get and therefore won't complain?

E10EU wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2024 12:18 am Before the General Election the pronouncements coming from Labour was all about the horrors created by the Tories and that Labour has the answers and determination to make it better. In the last week Labour's talk has become all about the depth of horrors (deficit, state of social care, etc) they are just discovering ......Really?? I wonder whether this messaging is about making people feel that 'getting just thin gruel' is the best they can get and therefore won't complain?

Stop wondering and wake up to the fact that the ruling billionare class owns Labour and will pursue the interests of that class.

No wonder Starmer took such extreme measure and withdrew the whip from those Labour MPs who supported the ending of the 2 child benefit limit.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... er-cartoon

It's just a further step in Starmer trying to undermine/ eliminate the democratic socialists from the party - even if that means that the 2 child benefit limit stays in place. Shame on all those Labour MPs who voted in favour of keeping the third child hungry.

Just a reminder: Labour, according to their membership card is a democratic socialist party. Well, it was a few years ago when I was a member. Has the wording on the card been changed since?

Pretty straight forward. Labour’s candidates stood behind a manifesto. Labour’s position was clear on the 2 child benefit. These members decided to stand behind their personal ideology straight after being voted in on the manifesto platform. Bit different 1-2 years on if Labour haven’t moved on this repulsive Tory policy.

£20bn black hole

https://amp.theguardian.com/environment ... limate-aid

Winter Fuel Payments to be scrapped for those not in receipt of Pension Credit. Up here in chilly Jocko Land, expect many deaths among the elderly due to hypothermia this winter.

Celtient wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 4:24 pm Winter Fuel Payments to be scrapped for those not in receipt of Pension Credit. Up here in chilly Jocko Land, expect many deaths among the elderly due to hypothermia this winter.

If they are not on Pension Credit then they should have enough money