Independent Leyton Orient Forum

VeganO wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 2:10 pm

VeganO wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 2:09 pm

VeganO wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 2:06 pm

You're absolutely right of course that this is the result of a democratic vote.
What people are so upset about is that a man like Trump is President again.
He's a compulsive liar, makes grandiose promises, a narcissist & someone who regularly threatens & abuses his political opponents. Also, he's an election denier, helped to stoke up the Capitol Riots which resulted in some deaths, is a racist, abuser of women, a convicted criminal & an absolute charlatan. He's also a huge climate change denier
I fully understand why the Democrats lost & that is democracy. What is deeply worrying is the election of a man who has been called a fascist by 2 Generals & the GOP which has morphed into an extreme right religious fundamentalist Party.
Trump has for many years stoked up division & hatred & has caused chaos.
His second term, in view of his declining cognitive powers, threatens to be even more dysfunctional than his first.
His election is a worry for virtually half the USA population & for the future of democracy generally.
He has openly talked about needing no more elections if he won. Nothing is off limits for this vile, hateful man.

Thank you. This is quite a succinct summary.
What frightens me even more than Trump's forthcoming actions is the fact that there are Brits and Orient supporters celebrating and revelling in his power. They seem to be totally unconcerned about the widereaching global consequences!!!

A country still in a state of civil war, IMO.

Orient_Man_And_Boy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 3:31 am A country still in a state of civil war, IMO.

That last quote reminded me it was a Democrat who assassinated Abraham Lincoln .

E10EU wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 1:02 am

VeganO wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 2:10 pm

VeganO wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 2:09 pm

Thank you. This is quite a succinct summary.
What frightens me even more than Trump's forthcoming actions is the fact that there are Brits and Orient supporters celebrating and revelling in his power. They seem to be totally unconcerned about the widereaching global consequences!!!

No matter who won the US election there would be widespread consequences . It remains to be seen if it’s for the better or worse. The Democrats only have themselves to blame. The left in the UK are beginning to make the same mistakes by banning Nigel Farage from laying a wreath at the cenotaph. Love them or hate them Reform did get over 4 million votes so should have been represented . Remembrance Day should be a day where politics are put to one side and we come together to remember the people who gave their lives fighting for our freedom.

Trump's success must boost Farage, after all, where they lead we tend to follow....

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:33 pm

E10EU wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 1:02 am

VeganO wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 2:10 pm

Thank you. This is quite a succinct summary.
What frightens me even more than Trump's forthcoming actions is the fact that there are Brits and Orient supporters celebrating and revelling in his power. They seem to be totally unconcerned about the widereaching global consequences!!!

No matter who won the US election there would be widespread consequences . It remains to be seen if it’s for the better or worse. The Democrats only have themselves to blame. The left in the UK are beginning to make the same mistakes by banning Nigel Farage from laying a wreath at the cenotaph. Love them or hate them Reform did get over 4 million votes so should have been represented . Remembrance Day should be a day where politics are put to one side and we come together to remember the people who gave their lives fighting for our freedom.

..and yet Reform chose to spit on the memory of those people by complaining that their boy couldn't lay a wreath, when the protocol for who counts as a party leader "entitled" to lay a wreath has been laid down for 40 years. Tice chose the day of Remembrance to whine about it, and Farage used his slippery "I'm not complaining about it but other people are" schtick (without, of course, naming those other people because they don't exist)

What is the protocol then ?

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/no-not-shamef ... lLDwCnH73s

Need 6 MPs

Seems that Mr Milkshake has deceived you.

Your party has to have won (and taken up) at least 6 seats OR be the biggest party in one of the devolved countries (e.g. DUP)

He wasn't "banned" - he never qualified, and it's utterly shameful that he, and Reform, used Remembrance Day to try to score some cheap political points. Scum.

Seems all it not right between Biden and Harris. Biden could not have been more courteous to Trump. Harris may blame Biden for referring to Trump’s supporters as “garbage”.

Trump appointing a pro Russian Director of National Intelligence, who's regularly peddled anti Ukraine conspiracies, not boding well for Zelensky.

He's also appointing an Attorney General who is an out and out racist and has spent the last few years being investigated for sex trafficking of a minor.

#draintheswamp

StillSpike wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 5:54 pm Your party has to have won (and taken up) at least 6 seats OR be the biggest party in one of the devolved countries (e.g. DUP)

He wasn't "banned" - he never qualified, and it's utterly shameful that he, and Reform, used Remembrance Day to try to score some cheap political points. Scum.

3 days on and no follow up from RD to acknowledge Tice was lying and he was wrong. Sure he'll be along any minute now...

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:44 am

StillSpike wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 5:54 pm Your party has to have won (and taken up) at least 6 seats OR be the biggest party in one of the devolved countries (e.g. DUP)

He wasn't "banned" - he never qualified, and it's utterly shameful that he, and Reform, used Remembrance Day to try to score some cheap political points. Scum.

3 days on and no follow up from RD to acknowledge Tice was lying and he was wrong. Sure he'll be along any minute now...

Thanks but I've only just read this . As much as I love you all I can't be on here 24/7. Do we know Tice knew what the protocol was ? Has there been any comments from him since ? I'm guessing that because they are a new-ish party and new to Parliament they didn't know what the protocol was . Edit . Fantastic win for Trump . Wins the election , wins all seven swing states, wins the popular vote and wins the senate. That's what you call a massacre . Turns out the America public didn't like 10 million illegals pouring across the Southern border and a political party who weaponised the judiciary to try and imprison their political opponent. Not to mention the made up Russia story plus being told Biden was fighting fit and never better for the past year or so . Boris got torn apart in this country for lying , looks like the America people think the same way about the Democrats . Oh , and it turns out Nancy Pelosi has got some serious question to answer about January 6th . According to a top policeman at a hearing she's been lying .

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:08 am I'm guessing that because they are a new-ish party and new to Parliament they didn't know what the protocol was .

Probably best to check before spouting off then, don’t you think?

Or alternatively they knew and just wanted to sh*t stir because they knew their supporters wouldn’t get anll riled up and not care about the protocol.

These a-holes just love people like Red.

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:12 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:08 am I'm guessing that because they are a new-ish party and new to Parliament they didn't know what the protocol was .

Enlighten me , did they know it ? Yes or No ? However Tice should have checked if he didn't know .

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:12 am Probably best to check before spouting off then, don’t you think?

Or alternatively they knew and just wanted to sh*t stir because they knew their supporters wouldn’t get anll riled up and not care about the protocol.

I have to agree that would have been the sensible thing to do and what I would have done in the same position . They should have checked .

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:16 am These a-holes just love people like Red.

That's your opinion

It's all gone quiet on Trump's amazing win . Wins the election , all seven swing states, the Senate and popular vote . All I can hear on here at the moment is crickets.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:29 am

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:16 am These a-holes just love people like Red.

That's your opinion

Correct. I’m right though.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:33 am It's all gone quiet on Trump's amazing win . Wins the election , all seven swing states, the Senate and popular vote . All I can hear on here at the moment is crickets.

The group of sycophants, grifters and quacks he's nominating for senior positions is doing anything to persuade people that it's going to be anything other than a disaster. Matt Gaetz is the worst of the worst and is being put forward for Attorney General. The guy has basically done the same thing in congress as the tractor porn MP did here.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:17 am

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:12 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:08 am I'm guessing that because they are a new-ish party and new to Parliament they didn't know what the protocol was .

Enlighten me , did they know it ? Yes or No ? However Tice should have checked if he didn't know .

Oh come off it. You've been had and you can't bring yourself to admit it (unsurprisingly).

Even assuming your most generous reading of their "newby" status is true, they'd have asked something like "So, where will I be standing with my wreath?" or "what's the best shop for a Party Leader to get a good price on a wreath around here?" or "do I bring my wreath to the rehearsal?" (you don't seriously think there's no rehearsal for this, do you?) - wouldn't they? The response from the stony faced civil servant must then have included some remedial instruction on the 1984 protocol.

Or are you seriously suggesting that old Frog face was just expecting to turn up on the day - had bought a wreath at Lidl - and was blocked as he approached Whitehall by some Group 4 drone just saying "Sorry - you're not on the list" ?

They were relying on the hard of thinking to just take their word "banned" and not do the simplest of checks to see if it were true.

They know the dinlows will just lap it up and spread it - like herpes - around the interweb, so that other dinlows carry it on.

You carry on fooling yourself - it's difficult for the ego to admit it's been fooled, so I don't expect much else.

And yes - Trump won. The Dems were appalling - they're not my "team" (neither party in America is even slightly left-ish) . Politics is not really about left vs right now tho. It's about my team vs the other team. Whatever "my team" does is OK because they're "my team". People overlook any behaviour because if they did think, for example, that falsifying business records to pay off a porn star was questionable, they that would mean that they had been supporting the wrong team - which in turn would mean that they'd been fooled. And they can't admit that to themselves, can you?

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:16 am These a-holes just love people like Red.

They don’t just love them, they need them.