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Dunners wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 11:47 am Lots of stuff coming out in the Sue Gray report, but this is the worst bit for me:

"I was made aware of multiple examples of a lack of respect and poor treatment of security and cleaning staff. This was unacceptable."

That quote speaks volumes.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 12:51 pm Jesus Christ, just resign.

Anthem of Hope wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 1:48 pm Listening live of the Parliamentary Uk debate on the Sue G report on the BBC

I tell you in the Uk this.

The Australian Public last Saturday voted the Liberal Party ( Blue ) out of office. They performed very badly in the ballot box and much of their safe seats, blue ribbon seats, were lost for the first time. The outgoing prime minister was disliked.

The conservative blue in the uk appears to be in the early stages of going the same way at the next election.

Boris repeatly states “he takes full responsibility”. - but it is others that have been replaced at No 10.

In Australia we had similar, with different events
- the bushfires with the then prime minister going on holiday to Hawaii being forced to return due to public outrage - but never showing genuine empathy and action to all the regions where houses infrastructure and business were totally burnt out.

He did not resign - but climate action was one of the reasons others gained power on Saturday.

Boris is a great talker at the despatch box - but he will lose the next election too.

The uk public ain’t mugs blue or red votes both dislike hypocrisy and the inability to be straight.

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 4:51 pm The only people who can get rid of Johnson, are Tory MPs, and while they think their seats are safe, they will do nothing.
As soon as they feel threatened, that their seats are in danger of being lost, they will get rid of Johnson.
Morality and doing the right thing, doesn't come into it.
If there was a decent opposition, the time when they dump Johnson would be nearer, but there isn't, and I think we could be stuck with the fat liar for years to come

Anthem of Hope wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 3:48 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 1:55 am Self Serving Con

Tuff as you troll my posts fine - some time’s what you say after I post is acceptable -

However if the above extract is directed to me best correct you ;

1. I do not believe in the conservative theme or policies generally since around late 80 and early 90. After I left the uk in late 95 I did not vote as a overseas citizen of the uk.
2. I actually quite liked the liberals when Joe Grimmond was around. - not with Thorpe
3. Abroad I have never voted liberal which is your uk conservative as I dislike the usual smirky candidates they present - usually a lawyer type and the policies do not suit my thoughts- as I have a social empathy to people that maybe economically not going well.

Last week here I voted Greens / and independents with a preference of labour above liberals further down the list of six as we have to pick 6 here or the vote is classified as invalid

Greens emphasised saving the planet on climate and integrity in parliament
The three independent were a male doctor now wanting to be a political person / a women scientist / a ex international rugby union player now wanting to also be a political person.

Thanks for following all my posts - the evidence is I ain’t a self serving conservative.

Anthem of Hope wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 9:52 pm ......


I have never voted labour - I am into free enterprise however I believe labour want the best for the average people.

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Anthem of Hope wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 11:58 am Regarding the comment about the conservative having less unemployed

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ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 4:51 pm The only people who can get rid of Johnson, are Tory MPs, and while they think their seats are safe, they will do nothing.
As soon as they feel threatened, that their seats are in danger of being lost, they will get rid of Johnson.
Morality and doing the right thing, doesn't come into it.
If there was a decent opposition, the time when they dump Johnson would be nearer, but there isn't, and I think we could be stuck with the fat liar for years to come

The only people who can get rid of Johnson, are Tory MPs

JimbO wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 11:09 am How long after the the Gray report is released will Bojo announce a windfall tax on the Energy companies. I'm betting within 48 hrs.

The Bloke really is a tw*t rather let people struggle and save his own flabby arris then help people struggling to put food on the table.

Anthem of Hope wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 1:04 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 12:23 pm

Anthem of Hope wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 11:58 am Regarding the comment about the conservative having less unemployed

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If you are referring to my post, I have not mentioned the Conservatives, nor tried to make any comparison.

You are adopting Whataboutery tactics to deflect from the fact that every Labour government, apart from the short McDonald government of approx 9 months, has left power with unemployment higher than when it took power.

The Labour policies do not produce better for the population when it leaves more of them unemployed than when they started.

As I said intention and product are different things.

You don’t have to expressly state the actual word conservative to convey or imply.

This thread basically as a theme of the dynamics of labour opposed to conservatives (before you posted my extract with your comment on what you think my motive was ie “whataboutery “ a word that is not generally used in the English language in my world)

You are a solicitor please don’t play mind games, ie don’t create hypothetical situation based of thought of others ie what I may be doing or not doing ie by your interpretation.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 12:37 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 4:51 pm
If there was a decent opposition, the time when they dump Johnson would be nearer, but there isn't, and I think we could be stuck with the fat liar for years to come

You just said

The only people who can get rid of Johnson, are Tory MPs

So what has the opposition got to do with it? I dont remember Corbyn ousting the Tories

spen666 wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 12:23 pm
You are adopting Whataboutery tactics to deflect from the fact that every Labour government, apart from the short McDonald government of approx 9 months, has left power with unemployment higher than when it took power.

Gary the Plumber wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 10:07 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 12:23 pm
You are adopting Whataboutery tactics to deflect from the fact that every Labour government, apart from the short McDonald government of approx 9 months, has left power with unemployment higher than when it took power.

This is a lovely soundbite, the sort of fact someone like the Daily Mail love to repeat.

Do you have the stats for the tory governments leaving office?

spen666 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 7:02 am

Gary the Plumber wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 10:07 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 12:23 pm
You are adopting Whataboutery tactics to deflect from the fact that every Labour government, apart from the short McDonald government of approx 9 months, has left power with unemployment higher than when it took power.

This is a lovely soundbite, the sort of fact someone like the Daily Mail love to repeat.

Do you have the stats for the tory governments leaving office?

If you want the stats, do the research. I'm not making any comparison between Labour and any other government.


Whether the Daily Mail quote the soundbite or not doesn't change the facts about Labour governments & unemployment namely that :

every Labour government, apart from the short McDonald government of approx 9 months, has left power with unemployment higher than when it took power.

Gary the Plumber wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 9:10 am

spen666 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 7:02 am

Gary the Plumber wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 10:07 pm

This is a lovely soundbite, the sort of fact someone like the Daily Mail love to repeat.

Do you have the stats for the tory governments leaving office?

If you want the stats, do the research. I'm not making any comparison between Labour and any other government.


Whether the Daily Mail quote the soundbite or not doesn't change the facts about Labour governments & unemployment namely that :

every Labour government, apart from the short McDonald government of approx 9 months, has left power with unemployment higher than when it took power.

Ok, in which case I'll add:

Every Tory government has left power with unemployment higher than when it took power.

This is easy.