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Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 2:49 pm
by Max B Gold
Dunners wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 10:26 am
Also, why is the British left so easily led by the US left? This phrase "people of colour" being a recent-ish example.
Keep up grandad.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 3:06 pm
by Max B Gold
Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 2:11 pm
Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 1:03 pm
Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 11:53 am
Think the treatment of Shaheen is gross tbh, but there is an obvious inconsistency with how we're expected to treat these allegations of prejudice with how much downplaying was done towards Jewish members/mps complaining about similarly felt impressions of prejudice.
How many Jewish MPs did Corbyn stop from standing?
This isn't hard to follow. If you think that accusations of institutional prejudice against groups that put up with racist sh*t should be taken at face value and not viewed through the prism of political conspiracy/smear (as essentially Corbyn confirmed he did in that statement), then what Shaheen has alleged is as serious as what Jewish people alleged under Corbyn.
No, it isnt. You are not comparing like with like.
The Anti semitism scam was a political tool used by the Labour right, Israeli assets and the establishment to beat Corbyn.
One to defeat mild social democracy and two, to ensure the UK acted in the way it has to the next round of violence come genocide in Palestine.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 3:11 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
The Equality and Human Rights Commission disagrees with your conspiracy theory
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 3:22 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
I’m surprised the Tories haven’t made more of Labour’s policy of votes for 16 year olds to be honest
Would make us an outlier in the World, is clearly being done for electoral purposes and would play well with their base of olds
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 3:28 pm
by OyinbO
Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 3:22 pm
I’m surprised the Tories haven’t made more of Labour’s policy of votes for 16 year olds to be honest
Right now they're too busy scrambling for lifeboats or frantically bailing water out of the hull.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 3:32 pm
by Max B Gold
Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 3:11 pm
The Equality and Human Rights Commission disagrees with your conspiracy theory
There's plenty of evidence.
Nobody is actually saying there were no acts of anti semitism within Labour. They are saying they were significantly overstated. Just not as many cases as Hodge etc dreamed.
In essence the incidence of antisemitism in the LP is lower than in the general public.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 3:44 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 3:32 pm
In essence the incidence of antisemitism in the LP is lower than in the general public.
I’d be interested to see how this was calculated? Please share
However, given they were ostensibly trying to run the country, “they’re a bit less racist than the average voter” isn’t a ringing endorsement
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 4:11 pm
by Friend or fart
Anyway, why are you lot so worried about: women, far lefties, people of color, coloured people, Mad Max etc; our NHS is in a bloody terrible state and needs sorting pronto. I waiting ages for appointments. We pay our doctors peanuts & we've got monkeys. Unless sorted I reckon I will soon croak, so there will be one less Orient Supporter. Worry about the important things please.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 5:00 pm
by Proposition Joe
Sorry women and black people, all your trivial concerns have to be parked until FoF can get a hospital appointment.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 5:35 pm
by Max B Gold
Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 3:44 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 3:32 pm
In essence the incidence of antisemitism in the LP is lower than in the general public.
I’d be interested to see how this was calculated? Please share
However, given they were ostensibly trying to run the country, “they’re a bit less racist than the average voter” isn’t a ringing endorsement
The incidence of antisemitism was about 0.3% of the membership. And I agree even one is one too many.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 5:39 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 5:35 pm
Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 3:44 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 3:32 pm
In essence the incidence of antisemitism in the LP is lower than in the general public.
I’d be interested to see how this was calculated? Please share
However, given they were ostensibly trying to run the country, “they’re a bit less racist than the average voter” isn’t a ringing endorsement
The incidence of antisemitism was about 0.3% of the membership. And I agree even one is one too many.
Please reference where this figure came from? Im genuinely interested
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 5:50 pm
by Admin
Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 5:39 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 5:35 pm
Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 3:44 pm
I’d be interested to see how this was calculated? Please share
However, given they were ostensibly trying to run the country, “they’re a bit less racist than the average voter” isn’t a ringing endorsement
The incidence of antisemitism was about 0.3% of the membership. And I agree even one is one too many.
Please reference where this figure came from? Im genuinely interested
Not sure if this is Maxy's reference source but does refer to 0.3% being a reasonable estimate.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck ... xaggerated
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 5:57 pm
by Hoover Attack
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 6:02 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
Thank you
The article you linked to doesn’t use the word “reasonable estimate” at all, in fact it challenges it
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 6:02 pm
by Hoover Attack
This Iain McNicol bloke sounds like he had no idea what was going on.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 6:03 pm
by Hoover Attack
Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 6:02 pm
Thank you
The article you linked to doesn’t use the word “reasonable estimate” at all, in fact it challenges it
If you keep on reading, there is an update:
Update: Professor Greg Philo has contacted FactCheck to offer a likely source for Mr Corbyn’s claim: his 2019 book Bad News for Labour. In the book, Professor Philo takes the figures for antisemitism cases provided by Jennie Formby in 2019 and extrapolates back to estimate numbers across the whole of Mr Corbyn’s leadership. He says this estimate of 0.3 per cent of Labour members being involved in antisemitism cases is “well within what the existing evidence would indicate”.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 6:12 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 6:03 pm
Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 6:02 pm
Thank you
The article you linked to doesn’t use the word “reasonable estimate” at all, in fact it challenges it
If you keep on reading, there is an update:
Update: Professor Greg Philo has contacted FactCheck to offer a likely source for Mr Corbyn’s claim: his 2019 book Bad News for Labour. In the book, Professor Philo takes the figures for antisemitism cases provided by Jennie Formby in 2019 and extrapolates back to estimate numbers across the whole of Mr Corbyn’s leadership. He says this estimate of 0.3 per cent of Labour members being involved in antisemitism cases is “well within what the existing evidence would indicate”.
I did, good on Prof Philip for owning up to being the source of JC’s bollocks stats
Anyway…. If you keep on reading
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 6:34 pm
by Max B Gold
I believe we can all agree that the numbers involved were miniscule and the claims were either greatly exaggerated or at times false.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 6:45 pm
by BiggsyMalone
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 3:06 pm
Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 2:11 pm
Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 1:03 pm
How many Jewish MPs did Corbyn stop from standing?
This isn't hard to follow. If you think that accusations of institutional prejudice against groups that put up with racist sh*t should be taken at face value and not viewed through the prism of political conspiracy/smear (as essentially Corbyn confirmed he did in that statement), then what Shaheen has alleged is as serious as what Jewish people alleged under Corbyn.
No, it isnt. You are not comparing like with like.
The Anti semitism scam was a political tool used by the Labour right, Israeli assets and the establishment to beat Corbyn.
One to defeat mild social democracy and two, to ensure the UK acted in the way it has to the next round of violence come genocide in Palestine.
“The Labour right” say what you really mean.
Why are Jews the only people who aren’t allowed to self determine the definitions of racism towards them?
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 7:02 pm
by Dunners
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 6:34 pm
I believe we can all agree
NEVER!
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 7:03 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 6:34 pm
I believe we can all agree that the numbers involved were miniscule and the claims were either greatly exaggerated or at times false.
The Equality and Human Rights Commission disagrees with your conspiracy theory
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 8:00 pm
by Max B Gold
Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 7:03 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 6:34 pm
I believe we can all agree that the numbers involved were miniscule and the claims were either greatly exaggerated or at times false.
The Equality and Human Rights Commission disagrees with your conspiracy theory
It's not a conspiracy theory. It's stone cold fact. It was a scam.
You know it and I know it. You are defending the indefensible.
I think we need CEB to take a deep dive into this one and establish the truth. He's good at researching stuff.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 8:03 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 8:00 pm
Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 7:03 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 6:34 pm
I believe we can all agree that the numbers involved were miniscule and the claims were either greatly exaggerated or at times false.
The Equality and Human Rights Commission disagrees with your conspiracy theory
It's not a conspiracy theory. It's stone cold fact. It was a scam.
You know it and I know it. You are defending the indefensible.
I think we need CEB to take a deep dive into this one and establish the truth. He's good at researching stuff.
The Equality and Human Rights Commission disagrees with your conspiracy theory
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 8:08 pm
by Max B Gold
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 8:14 pm
by Long slender neck
What were the 'miniscule' numbers Max?