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CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 1:22 pm Guardian journalists do have a background though - they have qualifications in journalism or proven experience in the area they write in!

Out of interest, though - is it more proportionate to cry about a result you don’t like, or to attempt to overthrow the elected government through violence?

CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 4:01 pm Again, there’s only one party’s supporters that dealt with defeat by denying reality, making wild accusations, engaging in violent demonstrations, and attempting to overturn the result.

CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 7:49 pm The key part is “attempting to overthrow the election result”, and that the violence was *the point* rather than a view isolated incidents that characterise any protest anywhere

CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 7:49 pm The key part is “attempting to overthrow the election result”, and that the violence was *the point* rather than a view isolated incidents that characterise any protest anywhere

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 1:28 pm

CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 1:22 pm Guardian journalists do have a background though - they have qualifications in journalism or proven experience in the area they write in!

Out of interest, though - is it more proportionate to cry about a result you don’t like, or to attempt to overthrow the elected government through violence?

Or pull the stunt the Democrats did by making up Russia gate to overthrow the 2016 election by falsely impeaching a democratically elected president

Adz wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 11:03 pm This is the world we live in these days. I give you a slap, you retaliate by gunning down me and my whole family. Morons out there "yeah but they were both in the wrong"

EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 3:44 pm What has particularly struck me is the horror and shock felt by many at the election of Trump, both in the US and here. I’ve heard people at work saying how upset they are and that they could not believe he could have got elected again.

The only conclusion I can come to is that is because they are divorced from reality, and have little appreciation of how many Americans think and the choice they were faced with. Over 70 million voted for Trump, they know him from last time, and they also know the Democrats from this time, and they gave their verdict, and that’s democracy.

VeganO wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 2:06 pm

EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 3:44 pm What has particularly struck me is the horror and shock felt by many at the election of Trump, both in the US and here. I’ve heard people at work saying how upset they are and that they could not believe he could have got elected again.

The only conclusion I can come to is that is because they are divorced from reality, and have little appreciation of how many Americans think and the choice they were faced with. Over 70 million voted for Trump, they know him from last time, and they also know the Democrats from this time, and they gave their verdict, and that’s democracy.

You're absolutely right of course that this is the result of a democratic vote.
What people are so upset about is that a man like Trump is President again.
He's a compulsive liar, makes grandiose promises, a narcissist & someone who regularly threatens & abuses his political opponents. Also, he's an election denier, helped to stoke up the Caoitol Riots which resulted in some deaths, is a racist, abuser of women, a convicted criminal & an absolute charlatan.
I fully understand why the Democrats lost & that is democracy. What is deeply worrying is the election of a man who has been called a fascist by 2 Generals & the GOP which has morphed into an extreme right religious fundamentalist Party.
Trump has for many years stoked up division & hatred & has caused chaos.
His second term, in view of his declining cognitive powers, threatens to be even more dysfunctional than his first.
His election is a worry for virtually half the USA population & for the future of democracy generally.
He has openly talked about needing no more elections if he won. Nothing is off limits for this vile, hateful man.

VeganO wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 2:09 pm

VeganO wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 2:06 pm

EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 3:44 pm What has particularly struck me is the horror and shock felt by many at the election of Trump, both in the US and here. I’ve heard people at work saying how upset they are and that they could not believe he could have got elected again.

The only conclusion I can come to is that is because they are divorced from reality, and have little appreciation of how many Americans think and the choice they were faced with. Over 70 million voted for Trump, they know him from last time, and they also know the Democrats from this time, and they gave their verdict, and that’s democracy.

You're absolutely right of course that this is the result of a democratic vote.
What people are so upset about is that a man like Trump is President again.
He's a compulsive liar, makes grandiose promises, a narcissist & someone who regularly threatens & abuses his political opponents. Also, he's an election denier, helped to stoke up the Capitol Riots which resulted in some deaths, is a racist, abuser of women, a convicted criminal & an absolute charlatan. He's also a huge climate change denier
I fully understand why the Democrats lost & that is democracy. What is deeply worrying is the election of a man who has been called a fascist by 2 Generals & the GOP which has morphed into an extreme right religious fundamentalist Party.
Trump has for many years stoked up division & hatred & has caused chaos.
His second term, in view of his declining cognitive powers, threatens to be even more dysfunctional than his first.
His election is a worry for virtually half the USA population & for the future of democracy generally.
He has openly talked about needing no more elections if he won. Nothing is off limits for this vile, hateful man.