The fine not being a criminal offence. I didn’t think it was to be honest. Any legal people on here?
Ukraine not being more important. In my opinion it is.
I'm no lawyer but neither am I an IMBECILE.
It's a criminal offence where the offender has chosen to admit his guilt and pay a fine without the need for disposal in court. HTH
So, when I got fined for speeding I have a criminal record? Didn’t know that. Being worried about that, speeding is not a criminal offence. Despite me pleading guilty, paying a fine and getting three points. The above definition is therefore wrong.
No criminal record. But speeding is
a criminal offence.
If the speeding is excessive it cannot be dealt with by issuing a FPN. A summons to court will follow and if found guilty a criminal conviction will result.
It's a criminal offence where the offender has chosen to admit his guilt and pay a fine without the need for disposal in court. HTH
So, when I got fined for speeding I have a criminal record? Didn’t know that. Being worried about that, speeding is not a criminal offence. Despite me pleading guilty, paying a fine and getting three points. The above definition is therefore wrong.
Just looked it up. Covid fixed penalty fines do not carry a criminal record.
Despicable from the Tories, let's hope SNP leaders and MPs don't stoop so low as to bring the Ukraine situation into their arguments for an independance referendum and Stew can maintain the moral high ground.
Classic whataboutery. Well done.
Classic hypocrisy more like, not to mention him doing the exact same thing he is so outraged about.
I see the Tories have spotted the opportunity to use the Ukraine war as a dating agency. FFS!
So, when I got fined for speeding I have a criminal record? Didn’t know that. Being worried about that, speeding is not a criminal offence. Despite me pleading guilty, paying a fine and getting three points. The above definition is therefore wrong.
Just looked it up. Covid fixed penalty fines do not carry a criminal record.
Really???? Its still a criminal offence.
Well not according to the websites I used. I looked up speeding and Covid. Maybe those web sites are wrong. I’m happy to be guided to sites that differ.
Just looked it up. Covid fixed penalty fines do not carry a criminal record.
Really???? Its still a criminal offence.
Well not according to the websites I used. I looked up speeding and Covid. Maybe those web sites are wrong. I’m happy to be guided to sites that differ.
You don't appear to understand the difference between the two. Keep reading.
Re: Tory Watch
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:28 pm
by Dextercoindexter
Reading some of the posts here , one would think it was a Board associated with the Clergy. Almost like posters have never broke a minor rule like dropping litter, illegally parking to nip into a newsagent , nicked a pen from work and so on. Yes it was bad what he did but he never consciously went out to create these breaches, Helen is the PM , he had far more important matters. His PA and the incompetent Civil Servants have a lot to answer for, stitched up he was by Remainer spies in the camp as that is all they have now.
Re: Tory Watch
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:40 pm
by EH16
Whether or not it carries a criminal record is IRRELEVANT. They both broke the law. And morally have not a leg to stand on. Of course they should both resign.
Re: Tory Watch
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:48 pm
by Dextercoindexter
EH16 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:40 pm
Whether or not it carries a criminal record is IRRELEVANT. They both broke the law. And morally have not a leg to stand on. Of course they should both resign.
Surely you mean it is relevant that they both broke the law , Goody Two Shoes?
Get over Brexit, you will feel wonderful.
Re: Tory Watch
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:17 am
by Dunners
Re: Tory Watch
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:47 am
by tuffers#1
Dextercoindexter wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:28 pm
Reading some of the posts here , one would think it was a Board associated with the Clergy. Almost like posters have never broke a minor rule like dropping litter, illegally parking to nip into a newsagent , nicked a pen from work and so on. Yes it was bad what he did but he never consciously went out to create these breaches, Helen is the PM , he had far more important matters. His PA and the incompetent Civil Servants have a lot to answer for, stitched up he was by Remainer spies in the camp as that is all they have now.
Starting to sound very THORISH Dexter & you were doing so well .
its almost like hes done this online selling thing before ,Maybe under an assumed name !
Re: Tory Watch
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:05 pm
by tuffers#1
The misleading of parliament is the knowing presentation of false information to parliament, a very serious charge in Westminster system parliamentary assemblies. Government ministers who are found to have misled parliament will generally lose their ministerial portfolio.
Just to clarify things to those who think bodge did nothing wrong .
Re: Tory Watch
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:09 pm
by tuffers#1
In 1994 the UK parliament's "the knowledge that ministers and civil servants may evade questions and put the best gloss on the facts but will not lie or knowingly mislead the House of Commons is one of the most powerful tools MPs have in holding the executive to account". The committee argued that any minister who was discovered to have knowingly lied to parliament should resign.[6] Intentionally misleading parliament could result in being held in contempt of parliament, however, it is unclear what penalties there would be. The UK parliament has not levied a fine since 1666. As a result, Channel 4 found that "It’s easier to get thrown out of the House of Commons for calling someone a liar than for lying itself."[7]
As can be seen above
Re: Tory Watch
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:26 pm
by Dextercoindexter
Blackford should have taken up amateur dramatics rather than politics. Same old hot air orations in his three piece suit costume every Wednesday. Now there is a true buffoon!
Re: Tory Watch
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 6:11 pm
by ComeOnYouOs
Dextercoindexter wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:26 pm
Blackford should have taken up amateur dramatics rather than politics. Same old hot air orations in his three piece suit costume every Wednesday. Now there is a true buffoon!
Blackford is one of the best orators in parliament.
Can't believe anyone would think otherwise.
Johnson really should go now. He disgusts me. He has sullied the office of Prime Minister.
Dextercoindexter wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:26 pm
Blackford should have taken up amateur dramatics rather than politics. Same old hot air orations in his three piece suit costume every Wednesday. Now there is a true buffoon!
Blackford is one of the best orators in parliament.
Can't believe anyone would think otherwise.
Johnson really should go now. He disgusts me. He has sullied the office of Prime Minister.
He probably adds to the heating system with his hot air.
He seems to really detest Boris. He was on a roll during the Brexit debates.
Dextercoindexter wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:26 pm
Blackford should have taken up amateur dramatics rather than politics. Same old hot air orations in his three piece suit costume every Wednesday. Now there is a true buffoon!
Blackford is one of the best orators in parliament.
Can't believe anyone would think otherwise.
Johnson really should go now. He disgusts me. He has sullied the office of Prime Minister.
He probably adds to the heating system with his hot air.
He seems to really detest Boris. He was on a roll during the Brexit debates.
No hot air from Blackford. The hot air is all from the liar Johnson
Blackford is one of the best orators in parliament.
Can't believe anyone would think otherwise.
Johnson really should go now. He disgusts me. He has sullied the office of Prime Minister.
He probably adds to the heating system with his hot air.
He seems to really detest Boris. He was on a roll during the Brexit debates.
No hot air from Blackford. The hot air is all from the liar Johnson
Yes Boris does waffle but that is part of his appeal to many.
Blackford is one of the best orators in parliament.
Can't believe anyone would think otherwise.
Johnson really should go now. He disgusts me. He has sullied the office of Prime Minister.
He probably adds to the heating system with his hot air.
He seems to really detest Boris. He was on a roll during the Brexit debates.
No hot air from Blackford. The hot air is all from the liar Johnson
Yes Boris does waffle on but that seems to be part of his appeal to millions in the UK and internationally.
Re: Tory Watch
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:03 pm
by The Mindsweep
There is a new drama on Netflix about the antics of the young Tories at Oxford who are now in government. They are called Libertines but wear the clothes of the Bullington Club. Not seen it but have read the book, Anatomy of a Scandal. 100% modelled on Boris etc
Dextercoindexter wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:26 pm
Blackford should have taken up amateur dramatics rather than politics. Same old hot air orations in his three piece suit costume every Wednesday. Now there is a true buffoon!
Blackford is one of the best orators in parliament.
Can't believe anyone would think otherwise.
Johnson really should go now. He disgusts me. He has sullied the office of Prime Minister.
He probably adds to the heating system with his hot air.
He seems to really detest Boris. He was on a roll during the Brexit debates.
He left when he broke a Parliamentary rule.though
Called Bodge.a Liar & then left the house .
An Honourable politician.
Unlike the scum that is J*hnson .
But then he ( B*dge ) & the type that stick up for him have
Dubious morals as it is .
Blackford is one of the best orators in parliament.
Can't believe anyone would think otherwise.
Johnson really should go now. He disgusts me. He has sullied the office of Prime Minister.
He probably adds to the heating system with his hot air.
He seems to really detest Boris. He was on a roll during the Brexit debates.
He left when he broke a Parliamentary rule.though
Called Bodge.a Liar & then left the house .
An Honourable politician.
Unlike the scum that is J*hnson .
But then he ( B*dge ) & the type that stick up for him have
Dubious morals as it is .
I saw that. Blackford was pushed and pushed and think he just went for it.