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Yep. This has been a lesson in how not to do expectation management.

Its already coming undone.

Pfizer have come out and said there is no evidence that their vaccine will work 12 weeks apart.

What are the government playing at?

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:24 pm Its already coming undone.

Pfizer have come out and said there is no evidence that their vaccine will work 12 weeks apart.

What are the government playing at?

Telling people want they want to hear.

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:24 pm Its already coming undone.

Pfizer have come out and said there is no evidence that their vaccine will work 12 weeks apart.

What are the government playing at?

The uk wont be giving pfizer vaccine 12 weeks apart

Do keep up Agent Thorson

Anyone got any faith they'll be able to roll out the vaccine speedily?

Just read that retired docs have to submit 20 pieces of paperwork in order to help out.

Probably to cover their arses in case of litigation I'd imagine

55,892 Positive tests today another new high - Another 964 deaths.- Yesterday 50,023 Positives from 420,492 tests rate of 11.90%.

In Essex some Covid patients are being moved out of the area because of lack of beds. The armed forces have been drafted in to help in hospitals because so many staff members now have Covid. All this and we havent reached the two worst months for respitory desease (Jan/Feb) - I think the first batches of the Oxford Vaccine should really go to healthcare workers - If we don't keep them as safe as we can then the whole system will grind to a halt.

In the meantime at the very least Keep schools and Uni's closed until at February or have a complete lock down until end of February and safe gaurd the most vulnerable until phase 1 of the Vaccine programme is complete otherwise the numbers are going to be scary.

The Army have staff on standby to administer 100,000 doses of vaccine a day on top of the NHS staff being made available for vaccine duties.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:20 pm Anyone got any faith they'll be able to roll out the vaccine speedily?

Just read that retired docs have to submit 20 pieces of paperwork in order to help out.

There is apparently a shortage of glass bottles used for the vaccine, We have only had 10 months to build up stocks.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:54 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:24 pm Its already coming undone.

Pfizer have come out and said there is no evidence that their vaccine will work 12 weeks apart.

What are the government playing at?

The uk wont be giving pfizer vaccine 12 weeks apart

Do keep up Agent Thorson

According to the government, the regulatory body and the vaccine maker themselves the intention is to give the 2 doses 12 weeks apart.

I can see why they have pressed the regulatory body to approve their plan as it will allow more people to get 1 shot than a smaller number have both.

The question remains will it work? Pfizer says their vaccine does not work like that, Oxford have not said anything yet, but previously they did say they found that the first shot was 60% effective however when the 2nd dose is added 2 weeks later it raised it to 90% which they then moved up to 95% on what basis who knows.

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 5:03 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:54 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:24 pm Its already coming undone.

Pfizer have come out and said there is no evidence that their vaccine will work 12 weeks apart.

What are the government playing at?

The uk wont be giving pfizer vaccine 12 weeks apart

Do keep up Agent Thorson

According to the government, the regulatory body and the vaccine maker themselves the intention is to give the 2 doses 12 weeks apart.

I can see why they have pressed the regulatory body to approve their plan as it will allow more people to get 1 shot than a smaller number have both.

The question remains will it work? Pfizer says their vaccine does not work like that, Oxford have not said anything yet, but previously they did say they found that the first shot was 60% effective however when the 2nd dose is added 2 weeks later it raised it to 90% which they then moved up to 95% on what basis who knows.

That 12 week period is for the Oxford Vaccine thorby

This was addressed by the UK regulator at the press conference yesterday. The Oxford Vaccine gives 60 -70% protection between 14 and 21 days after the first dose and 91% after two doses if given three weeks later. The trials included two doses given at various intervals in excess of two weeks and it was found to be effective in boosting immunity up to 12 weeks but they never gave an indication of how the performance varied, due to be released in a "paper" this week by all accounts.

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:34 pm 55,892 Positive tests today another new high - Another 964 deaths.- Yesterday 50,023 Positives from 420,492 tests rate of 11.90%.

That is proper grim. And that increase in % positive tests looks like quite a leap. How the hell isn't the government implementing a proper lockdown?

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 5:49 pm

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:34 pm 55,892 Positive tests today another new high - Another 964 deaths.- Yesterday 50,023 Positives from 420,492 tests rate of 11.90%.

That is proper grim. And that increase in % positive tests looks like quite a leap. How the hell isn't the government implementing a proper lockdown?

Because they cant afford it

Really Tuffers the one thing the government has done is put its money where it’s mouth is. We may question some of the spending especially among their mates, but the money was found and I’m sure it will be found once more especially as the magic tree is proper flowering at the moment.

Anyway as a percentage of any metric you want our debt is low compared to post war years for example.

Shame they didn't want to use that money tree for the last decade.

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:46 pm Really Tuffers the one thing the government has done is put its money where it’s mouth is. We may question some of the spending especially among their mates, but the money was found and I’m sure it will be found once more especially as the magic tree is proper flowering at the moment.

Anyway as a percentage of any metric you want our debt is low compared to post war years for example.

I suggest anyone with savings finds a panamanian style
company or bank to look after their money !

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:39 am

Disoriented wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:55 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:57 am https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55480666


Big Sam calls for Covid Circuit Break

He is right Tiff.

Wake up will you. He is only calling for it so he can drill his players in what he wants them to do and do a mini pre season. You think he will tell them go put your feet up lads were adrift at the bottom of the league but don't worry after the two week covid break I'm sure we will pick up the required points. If you think that, then you don't understand football.

Eh?

The Imperial report on the new strain makes for very grim reading (albeit I've relied on a few summaries as I haven't got the head or intelligence to read the real thing). What we're about to experience will put the first wave in the shade.

As this gets disseminated further I can see many parents refusing to send children to school. Every day the government delays in doing the inevitable is going to cost thousands of lives and leave many survivors with long-term debilitating conditions.

Here's one summary thread:

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:01 am The Imperial report on the new strain makes for very grim reading (albeit I've relied on a few summaries as I haven't got the head or intelligence to read the real thing). What we're about to experience will put the first wave in the shade.

As this gets disseminated further I can see many parents refusing to send children to school. Every day the government delays in doing the inevitable is going to cost thousands of lives and leave many survivors with long-term debilitating conditions.

I get a strange feeling the Government are not telling us the whole truth........

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:01 am The Imperial report on the new strain makes for very grim reading (albeit I've relied on a few summaries as I haven't got the head or intelligence to read the real thing). What we're about to experience will put the first wave in the shade.

As this gets disseminated further I can see many parents refusing to send children to school. Every day the government delays in doing the inevitable is going to cost thousands of lives and leave many survivors with long-term debilitating conditions.

I'd be inclined to wait and see what other commentators/scientists say about the Imperial report before concluding things are actually going to be as bad as the picture painted in the Twitter thread.

Neil Ferguson ("Professor Pantsdown") is behind it and it's known that he prefers as hard a lockdown as possible. Imperial predictions have also been inaccurate in the past.

faldO wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:13 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:01 am The Imperial report on the new strain makes for very grim reading (albeit I've relied on a few summaries as I haven't got the head or intelligence to read the real thing). What we're about to experience will put the first wave in the shade.

As this gets disseminated further I can see many parents refusing to send children to school. Every day the government delays in doing the inevitable is going to cost thousands of lives and leave many survivors with long-term debilitating conditions.

I'd be inclined to wait and see what other commentators/scientists say about the Imperial report before concluding things are actually going to be as bad as the picture painted in the Twitter thread.

Neil Ferguson ("Professor Pantsdown") is behind it and it's known that he prefers as hard a lockdown as possible. Imperial predictions have also been inaccurate in the past.

I wouldn’t listen to that idiot furguson, he has not got one prediction right on anything yet. Oh and he doesn’t follow the rules either, the mans a fool.

I’m in a WhatsApp group for football coaches and one of the coaches said his mum is a nurse in a hospital and they all got injected with the vaccine prior to xmas. Anyway two of her friends now have covid, the number of days was 8 after injection so maybe the vaccine hadn’t enough time to work?

53,285 Cases today and 613 deaths no data avilablke for tests until tomorrow.