Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 4:21 pm
Whoever wins, we lose
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So you're tarring a whole nation because of what some protesters did?
NeverCurrywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 10:34 am Strange you didn’t just ask that question then instead of posting a tweet by someone else asking a different question.
Maybe stop outsourcing your thinking to Twitter.
I'd rather Labour be friends with Israel than the leader be friends with Hamas.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 10:31 am Nice try. All I did was post somebody else's tweet on an incident(s) in a foreign land.
The question I'm asking by doing so is this:
Should Labour MPs be supporting the actions of a far right government and not condemn its genocidal actions and those of its supporters?
Now that I have explained the question do you have any thoughts on it?
Clever, very clever but I'm left wondering if their might be a third option and not be fwends with any murderous entities at all. Just a thought.Long slender neck wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 10:54 amI'd rather Labour be friends with Israel than the leader be friends with Hamas.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 10:31 am Nice try. All I did was post somebody else's tweet on an incident(s) in a foreign land.
The question I'm asking by doing so is this:
Should Labour MPs be supporting the actions of a far right government and not condemn its genocidal actions and those of its supporters?
Now that I have explained the question do you have any thoughts on it?
She went to a private school.
His argument to that would be that he's now rowing back/breaking promises that were previously made, and that he's doing that before the election and not after. Therefore, whatever promises are left by the time of the election, we can be confident that they will at least deliver deliver on them.StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 11:32 am He's constantly making promises that he can't deliver on.
Kind of like tarring a whole nation because of what some (as proscribed by the UK Govenrnment) terrorists have done.Long slender neck wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 10:07 amSo you're tarring a whole nation because of what some protesters did?
And what's that got to do with the price of fish?
But it really is.
I'm not arguing your logic but it's a pretty low bar to be encouraged for someone who's going to deliver what looks to be next to f*** all but do it in an a more efficient manner than the current incumbents.Dunners wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 11:37 amHis argument to that would be that he's now rowing back/breaking promises that were previously made, and that he's doing that before the election and not after. Therefore, whatever promises are left by the time of the election, we can be confident that they will at least deliver deliver on them.StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 11:32 am He's constantly making promises that he can't deliver on.
A Labour government is just going to be a more technically capable management team. And, right now, I'd take that.
Agreed. But that's where the bar is nowadays.Admin wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 1:57 pmI'm not arguing your logic but it's a pretty low bar to be encouraged for someone who's going to deliver what looks to be next to f*** all in an efficient manner.Dunners wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 11:37 amHis argument to that would be that he's now rowing back/breaking promises that were previously made, and that he's doing that before the election and not after. Therefore, whatever promises are left by the time of the election, we can be confident that they will at least deliver deliver on them.StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 11:32 am He's constantly making promises that he can't deliver on.
A Labour government is just going to be a more technically capable management team. And, right now, I'd take that.
It'll go lower yet. Wait till the election campaign starts for real. It'll be an all round miserable poo poo-fest.Dunners wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 1:58 pmAgreed. But that's where the bar is nowadays.Admin wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 1:57 pmI'm not arguing your logic but it's a pretty low bar to be encouraged for someone who's going to deliver what looks to be next to f*** all in an efficient manner.Dunners wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 11:37 am
His argument to that would be that he's now rowing back/breaking promises that were previously made, and that he's doing that before the election and not after. Therefore, whatever promises are left by the time of the election, we can be confident that they will at least deliver deliver on them.
A Labour government is just going to be a more technically capable management team. And, right now, I'd take that.
They are going to inherit a total shitshow, so it's right that they manage expectations accordingly. Also, having lost four elections in a row, each time with an increasing sense of adventure, leading to progressively worse results, it's not surprising they're doing "don't frighten the horses" this time around.Admin wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 1:57 pmI'm not arguing your logic but it's a pretty low bar to be encouraged for someone who's going to deliver what looks to be next to f*** all but do it in an a more efficient manner than the current incumbents.Dunners wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 11:37 amHis argument to that would be that he's now rowing back/breaking promises that were previously made, and that he's doing that before the election and not after. Therefore, whatever promises are left by the time of the election, we can be confident that they will at least deliver deliver on them.StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 11:32 am He's constantly making promises that he can't deliver on.
A Labour government is just going to be a more technically capable management team. And, right now, I'd take that.
It's not true to say the results were progressively worse. Please don't go down that road. 2017 was a close call and recorded a much better Labour vote than the two previous attempts.OyinbO wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 2:54 pmThey are going to inherit a total shitshow, so it's right that they manage expectations accordingly. Also, having lost four elections in a row, each time with an increasing sense of adventure, leading to progressively worse results, it's not surprising they're doing "don't frighten the horses" this time around.Admin wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 1:57 pmI'm not arguing your logic but it's a pretty low bar to be encouraged for someone who's going to deliver what looks to be next to f*** all but do it in an a more efficient manner than the current incumbents.Dunners wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 11:37 am
His argument to that would be that he's now rowing back/breaking promises that were previously made, and that he's doing that before the election and not after. Therefore, whatever promises are left by the time of the election, we can be confident that they will at least deliver deliver on them.
A Labour government is just going to be a more technically capable management team. And, right now, I'd take that.
Interesting thought experiment. But how can you imagine a world where JC stays in charge after delivering the second worst outcome for Labour since they became a major party? Also - party leaders' popularity only ever goes one way, and once the punters have made their minds up about someone, that's it. It's happening with Sunak and pals now, the electorate has just stopped listening to them.Long slender neck wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 3:38 pm If Corbyn were still leader, I think he'd have a half decent chance of forming the next government, but not as good a chance as Sir Kier.