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Re: Migrants crossing the channel

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:14 am
by Beradogs
Gary the Plumber wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 9:59 am I’m intrigued as to just how far Bera is going to descend. It’s a fascinating watch.
Already landed. I am only one word out of place from getting another ban. I would like to know where my rights are as a valued member of the Leyton orient message board!

Re: Migrants crossing the channel

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:17 am
by Long slender neck
You can always seek asylum on Mungos graveyard.

Re: Migrants crossing the channel

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:17 am
by Admin
Gary the Plumber wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 9:59 am I’m intrigued as to just how far Bera is going to descend. It’s a fascinating watch.
He enjoys it.

Re: Migrants crossing the channel

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:18 am
by Admin
Beradogs wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:14 am
Gary the Plumber wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 9:59 am I’m intrigued as to just how far Bera is going to descend. It’s a fascinating watch.
Already landed. I am only one word out of place from getting another ban. I would like to know where my rights are as a valued member of the Leyton orient message board!
You have the right to not behave like a racist cock. Hope that clarifies.

Re: Migrants crossing the channel

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:30 am
by Long slender neck

Re: Migrants crossing the channel

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:17 pm
by Admin
Long slender neck wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 8:21 am
Admin wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:33 pm
Admin wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:28 pm

I wonder who this could be?
Ah. An IP match from an address used 500+ times by the banned user KVN.

Time you f*cked off Samiastar. Bye.
Looks like that really upset him judging by the registration attempts that came in overnight. :)
They're still coming. Must admit to nearly approving "Adminisafascist" though.

Re: Migrants crossing the channel

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:36 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
I don't think Ukrainians were coming across the channel on makeshift boats which is what the Rwanda scheme is for

False equivalence.

Re: Migrants crossing the channel

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:44 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
Gary the Plumber wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:01 am
Long slender neck wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 9:54 am Is there a scheme where people can offer to house Asylum Seekers and not just Ukrainians?
No.

You can see why some people might think that’s a teeny bit racialist.

Just because you wouldn't dream of letting anyone into your gaff doesn't mean the scheme doesn't exist

At least Gary Lineker backs up his rhetoric with action, even if he did talk about him like he was a pet

"And it’s a link to a charity, Refugees at Home, which gives aid to refugees. There are different ones you can use, you can have a long term one, a middle term or an emergency service, which is almost like emergency fostering, which is the box that I ticked.”

Re: Migrants crossing the channel

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:49 pm
by Max B Gold
Currywurst and Chips wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:36 pm I don't think Ukrainians were coming across the channel on makeshift boats which is what the Rwanda scheme is for

False equivalence.
Why are the Ukrainians being treated differently to those who make their own way here? That's the real issue.


Re: Migrants crossing the channel

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:02 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
Max B Gold wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:49 pm
Currywurst and Chips wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:36 pm I don't think Ukrainians were coming across the channel on makeshift boats which is what the Rwanda scheme is for

False equivalence.
Why are the Ukrainians being treated differently to those who make their own way here? That's the real issue.

They're arriving/applying via the approved legal route

Re: Migrants crossing the channel

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:04 pm
by CEB
Currywurst and Chips wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:44 pm
Gary the Plumber wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:01 am
Long slender neck wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 9:54 am Is there a scheme where people can offer to house Asylum Seekers and not just Ukrainians?
No.

You can see why some people might think that’s a teeny bit racialist.

Just because you wouldn't dream of letting anyone into your gaff doesn't mean the scheme doesn't exist

At least Gary Lineker backs up his rhetoric with action, even if he did talk about him like he was a pet

"And it’s a link to a charity, Refugees at Home, which gives aid to refugees. There are different ones you can use, you can have a long term one, a middle term or an emergency service, which is almost like emergency fostering, which is the box that I ticked.”

How does it sound like a pet? It can only sound like a pet if you’re making a value judgement on the humanity of the person being given refuge. The actual quote is literally just discussing the practicalities and the differing commitment levels, right? I mean, I suspect that it’s very easy to make any situation where a person with resources temporarily offers shelter to someone less fortunate sound like someone is enjoying the hierarchy. But why not just assume good faith?

Re: Migrants crossing the channel

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:06 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
CEB wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:04 pm
Currywurst and Chips wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:44 pm
Gary the Plumber wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:01 am

No.

You can see why some people might think that’s a teeny bit racialist.

Just because you wouldn't dream of letting anyone into your gaff doesn't mean the scheme doesn't exist

At least Gary Lineker backs up his rhetoric with action, even if he did talk about him like he was a pet

"And it’s a link to a charity, Refugees at Home, which gives aid to refugees. There are different ones you can use, you can have a long term one, a middle term or an emergency service, which is almost like emergency fostering, which is the box that I ticked.”

How does it sound like a pet? It can only sound like a pet if you’re making a value judgement on the humanity of the person being given refuge. The actual quote is literally just discussing the practicalities and the differing commitment levels, right? I mean, I suspect that it’s very easy to make any situation where a person with resources temporarily offers shelter to someone less fortunate sound like someone is enjoying the hierarchy. But why not just assume good faith?
I applaud the offer, I took issue with the the wording such as "Long term one" which I felt reduces the recipient to an accessory.

Re: Migrants crossing the channel

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:17 pm
by cymruO
What are the French doing? Standing on the beach and waving boat people goodbye?

Re: Migrants crossing the channel

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:17 pm
by Max B Gold
Currywurst and Chips wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:02 pm
Max B Gold wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:49 pm
Currywurst and Chips wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:36 pm I don't think Ukrainians were coming across the channel on makeshift boats which is what the Rwanda scheme is for

False equivalence.
Why are the Ukrainians being treated differently to those who make their own way here? That's the real issue.

They're arriving/applying via the approved legal route
The French govt offered the UK facilities to set up a processing centre for those wishing to come to the UK. The Tory govt turned it down. Next point.

Re: Migrants crossing the channel

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:20 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
Max B Gold wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:17 pm
Currywurst and Chips wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:02 pm
Max B Gold wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:49 pm

Why are the Ukrainians being treated differently to those who make their own way here? That's the real issue.

They're arriving/applying via the approved legal route
The French govt offered the UK facilities to set up a processing centre for those wishing to come to the UK. The Tory govt turned it down. Next point.
That doesn't negate my answer.

Re: Migrants crossing the channel

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:23 pm
by CEB
Currywurst and Chips wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:06 pm
CEB wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:04 pm
Currywurst and Chips wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:44 pm


Just because you wouldn't dream of letting anyone into your gaff doesn't mean the scheme doesn't exist

At least Gary Lineker backs up his rhetoric with action, even if he did talk about him like he was a pet

"And it’s a link to a charity, Refugees at Home, which gives aid to refugees. There are different ones you can use, you can have a long term one, a middle term or an emergency service, which is almost like emergency fostering, which is the box that I ticked.”

How does it sound like a pet? It can only sound like a pet if you’re making a value judgement on the humanity of the person being given refuge. The actual quote is literally just discussing the practicalities and the differing commitment levels, right? I mean, I suspect that it’s very easy to make any situation where a person with resources temporarily offers shelter to someone less fortunate sound like someone is enjoying the hierarchy. But why not just assume good faith?
I applaud the offer, I took issue with the the wording such as "Long term one" which I felt reduces the recipient to an accessory.
How does it? It’s just a description of timeframe

Re: Migrants crossing the channel

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:36 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
CEB wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:23 pm
Currywurst and Chips wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:06 pm
CEB wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:04 pm


How does it sound like a pet? It can only sound like a pet if you’re making a value judgement on the humanity of the person being given refuge. The actual quote is literally just discussing the practicalities and the differing commitment levels, right? I mean, I suspect that it’s very easy to make any situation where a person with resources temporarily offers shelter to someone less fortunate sound like someone is enjoying the hierarchy. But why not just assume good faith?
I applaud the offer, I took issue with the the wording such as "Long term one" which I felt reduces the recipient to an accessory.
How does it? It’s just a description of timeframe
My issue was with the term one, I think it was sloppily worded, which happens during live TV interviews.

Re: Migrants crossing the channel

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 6:04 pm
by Max Fowler
Currywurst and Chips wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:44 pm
Gary the Plumber wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:01 am
Long slender neck wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 9:54 am Is there a scheme where people can offer to house Asylum Seekers and not just Ukrainians?
No.

You can see why some people might think that’s a teeny bit racialist.

Just because you wouldn't dream of letting anyone into your gaff doesn't mean the scheme doesn't exist

At least Gary Lineker backs up his rhetoric with action, even if he did talk about him like he was a pet

"And it’s a link to a charity, Refugees at Home, which gives aid to refugees. There are different ones you can use, you can have a long term one, a middle term or an emergency service, which is almost like emergency fostering, which is the box that I ticked.”
Oh, of course there are charities. I thought we were talking about Government schemes like the one for Ukrainians.

Re: Migrants crossing the channel

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 6:52 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
Gary the Plumber wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 6:04 pm
Currywurst and Chips wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:44 pm
Gary the Plumber wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:01 am

No.

You can see why some people might think that’s a teeny bit racialist.

Just because you wouldn't dream of letting anyone into your gaff doesn't mean the scheme doesn't exist

At least Gary Lineker backs up his rhetoric with action, even if he did talk about him like he was a pet

"And it’s a link to a charity, Refugees at Home, which gives aid to refugees. There are different ones you can use, you can have a long term one, a middle term or an emergency service, which is almost like emergency fostering, which is the box that I ticked.”
Oh, of course there are charities. I thought we were talking about Government schemes like the one for Ukrainians.
You'll forgive me for not understanding you meant "government only" based on your post when what you meant was the opposite of what you said.

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Re: Migrants crossing the channel

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 6:54 pm
by CEB
But who would be being racist if any organisations were being included? It’s the fact that the government has only created a scheme for Ukrainians that is racist

Re: Migrants crossing the channel

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:01 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
CEB wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 6:54 pm It’s the fact that the government has only created a scheme for Ukrainians that is racist
There's an ongoing war in their homeland and a resettlement scheme was set up for Afghans earlier this year who were also at need

Re: Migrants crossing the channel

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:06 pm
by CEB
Currywurst and Chips wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:01 pm
CEB wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 6:54 pm It’s the fact that the government has only created a scheme for Ukrainians that is racist
There's an ongoing war in their homeland and a resettlement scheme was set up for Afghans earlier this year who were also at need

I see that now you’re suggesting that existence of any “scheme” negates the point, which is that the government has only seen fit to offer a scheme *where people can go through a process by which they open their home to refugees* to Ukrainian people.

Re: Migrants crossing the channel

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:12 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
There's schemes where people can house refugees

The government sponsored schemes are for Ukrainians and Afghans due to current circumstances

Re: Migrants crossing the channel

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:25 pm
by Beradogs
Last time I looked Hong Kong Chinese people were non white and we have recently let in 150,000 potentially up to 1m in the future. I guess they are more middle class, work hard, have money and don’t score as many brownie points at Islington dinner parties as your garden-variety Syrian.

Re: Migrants crossing the channel

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:43 pm
by StillSpike
Beradogs wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:25 pm Last time I looked Hong Kong Chinese people were non white and we have recently let in 150,000 potentially up to 1m in the future. I guess they are more middle class, work hard, have money and don’t score as many brownie points at Islington dinner parties as your garden-variety Syrian.
Aren't they British Nationals?