Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:42 am
This doesn't even make sense. No wonder you and your Labour "rebels" have to team up with the billionaire press to author the attacks on JC.
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Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:48 pm
Enough is enough. The time has come to sort this once and for all.
https://novaramedia.com/2019/07/18/the- ... lace-them/
https://novaramedia.com/2019/07/18/the- ... lace-them/
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:10 pm
A very useful, impartial, contribution that adds so much to the debate.CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:48 pm Enough is enough. The time has come to sort this once and for all.
https://novaramedia.com/2019/07/18/the- ... lace-them/
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:15 pm
Are you trying to do sarcasm?
All the fella is doing is pointing out some facts. You can choose to ignore them if you so wish, I know you're not keen on them.
All the fella is doing is pointing out some facts. You can choose to ignore them if you so wish, I know you're not keen on them.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:25 pm
Me, sarcasm, don't know what you mean.CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:15 pm Are you trying to do sarcasm?
All the fella is doing is pointing out some facts. You can choose to ignore them if you so wish, I know you're not keen on them.
As for facts, if you see all that article as factual, then fine, me? A few interesting points and a huge dose of opinion is how I read it. Interestingly I looked up the editors, journalists etc making up that outfit. No bias there for sure (sarcasm again?)Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:46 pm
You're really good at this sarcasm stuff.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:52 pm
Not as good as I used to be. But it is a "gift" I have frequently been told I have.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:04 pm
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:12 pm
StillSpike wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:04 pmMaybe the people telling you that were better at it than you?
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:18 pm
Nah. I have a gift. the people telling me are usually pissed off at me. Hugely irritating.CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:12 pmStillSpike wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:04 pmMaybe the people telling you that were better at it than you?
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:14 am
Emily Thornberry falls off her bike.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:26 am
Or was she pushed?
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 10:51 am
That link shows just how much those behind the Labour leadership are learning from the Trump white house, don't confront the issues just character assassinate the critics.
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Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:49 am
From one of the cranks on here's favourite sites, The Canary
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:32 pm
I believe that kind of comment emanates from the utterly bankrupt perspective of identity based politics. It is completely devoid of any class analysis and should just be ignored.
This perspective might help.
"The killer clowns offer the oligarchs something else too: distraction and deflection. While the kleptocrats fleece us, we are urged to look elsewhere. We are mesmerised by buffoons who encourage us to channel the anger that should be reserved for billionaires towards immigrants, women, Jews, Muslims, people of colour and other imaginary enemies and customary scapegoats. Just as it was in the 1930s, the new demagoguery is a con, a revolt against the impacts of capital, financed by capitalists." G Monboit.
This perspective might help.
"The killer clowns offer the oligarchs something else too: distraction and deflection. While the kleptocrats fleece us, we are urged to look elsewhere. We are mesmerised by buffoons who encourage us to channel the anger that should be reserved for billionaires towards immigrants, women, Jews, Muslims, people of colour and other imaginary enemies and customary scapegoats. Just as it was in the 1930s, the new demagoguery is a con, a revolt against the impacts of capital, financed by capitalists." G Monboit.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:59 pm
Kleptocrats! What are they? L
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:27 pm
I agree. Sadly Mendoza is one of the more inferential of the Corbyn movements "outriders" (propagandists).Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:32 pm I believe that kind of comment emanates from the utterly bankrupt perspective of identity based politics. It is completely devoid of any class analysis and should just be ignored.
This perspective might help.
"The killer clowns offer the oligarchs something else too: distraction and deflection. While the kleptocrats fleece us, we are urged to look elsewhere. We are mesmerised by buffoons who encourage us to channel the anger that should be reserved for billionaires towards immigrants, women, Jews, Muslims, people of colour and other imaginary enemies and customary scapegoats. Just as it was in the 1930s, the new demagoguery is a con, a revolt against the impacts of capital, financed by capitalists." G Monboit.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:17 pm
This lady's/non-gender specific fanatic's statements are far from inferential, they're just simplistic, subjective cant: infected with the current Labour Party's suicidal obsession with identity politics. Her/it's views are fully compliant with the supreme and sacred dogma of "Diversity". A dogma which promulgates diversity only when those of a diverse background think, speak, behave and support the same political party alike. Any diversity from this "Diversity" obviously results in the insult "turncoats of colour" or, what is unpleasantly and pejoratively known as, Uncle Toms or Coconuts.PAM wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:27 pmI agree. Sadly Mendoza is one of the more inferential of the Corbyn movements "outriders" (propagandists).Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:32 pm I believe that kind of comment emanates from the utterly bankrupt perspective of identity based politics. It is completely devoid of any class analysis and should just be ignored.
This perspective might help.
"The killer clowns offer the oligarchs something else too: distraction and deflection. While the kleptocrats fleece us, we are urged to look elsewhere. We are mesmerised by buffoons who encourage us to channel the anger that should be reserved for billionaires towards immigrants, women, Jews, Muslims, people of colour and other imaginary enemies and customary scapegoats. Just as it was in the 1930s, the new demagoguery is a con, a revolt against the impacts of capital, financed by capitalists." G Monboit.
Yet more evidence of the moral cesspit the Labour Party has become under the influence of the cult of the complete and utter cult himself, the Absolute Boy.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:30 pm
I'm not going to argue much with you on the identity politics point because I agree with it.Flying Hippo wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:17 pmThis lady's/non-gender specific fanatic's statements are far from inferential, they're just simplistic, subjective cant: infected with the current Labour Party's suicidal obsession with identity politics. Her/it's views are fully compliant with the supreme and sacred dogma of "Diversity". A dogma which promulgates diversity only when those of a diverse background think, speak, behave and support the same political party alike. Any diversity from this "Diversity" obviously results in the insult "turncoats of colour" or, what is unpleasantly and pejoratively known as, Uncle Toms or Coconuts.PAM wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:27 pmI agree. Sadly Mendoza is one of the more inferential of the Corbyn movements "outriders" (propagandists).Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:32 pm I believe that kind of comment emanates from the utterly bankrupt perspective of identity based politics. It is completely devoid of any class analysis and should just be ignored.
This perspective might help.
"The killer clowns offer the oligarchs something else too: distraction and deflection. While the kleptocrats fleece us, we are urged to look elsewhere. We are mesmerised by buffoons who encourage us to channel the anger that should be reserved for billionaires towards immigrants, women, Jews, Muslims, people of colour and other imaginary enemies and customary scapegoats. Just as it was in the 1930s, the new demagoguery is a con, a revolt against the impacts of capital, financed by capitalists." G Monboit.
Yet more evidence of the moral cesspit the Labour Party has become under the influence of the cult of the complete and utter cult himself, the Absolute Boy.
Your point on Diversity is overblown hyperbole and strawmanism. Its not a sacred dogma, it is to be respected and not binned just because a few people like Mendoza get over emotional and lose the plot.
The Labour Party has not lost its morality nor is it a cesspit. Nor is it correct to label a democratic organisation with 500,000 members a cult. That's just silly.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:35 pm
It has been overrun by the middle classes though.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:27 pm
It always has been. That is the problem of the last 119 years.Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:35 pm It has been overrun by the middle classes though.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:34 pm
Thank you.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:30 pm
Your point on Diversity is overblown hyperbole and strawmanism. Its not a sacred dogma, it is to be respected and not binned just because a few people like Mendoza get over emotional and lose the plot.
The Labour Party has not lost its morality nor is it a cesspit. Nor is it correct to label a democratic organisation with 500,000 members a cult. That's just silly.
It's dogma perpetuated by group-think and a zero tolerance of dissent. Clearly.
It's also a cult, a personality cult for many based on JC/Jezza/Absolute Boy/Magic Grandfather. It embraces his bourgeois upbringing and his guilt therof, his spurning of the value of education (or his plain inability to study and learn), his resentment, his fetishisation of certain foreign conflicts which satisfy his simplistic, child-like view of the world, his capacity to have never done a proper day's work in his life, his hatred of "the establishment" without realising that he is the embodiment of it himself as a career agitprop politician.
Worst of all, his tacit support for overt racism in the Labour Party, justified by platitudes and banalities and the wicked and unscrupulous calculation that this overt racism will lose the support of one small community but gain many more from a much larger one which follows an ideology which is utterly incompatible with that the Labour Party used to represent. That's a moral cesspit. That anyone should seek to explain or excuse this is the biggest tragedy of all.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:49 pm
I'm only going to deal with your last para because the preceding ones are just the usual bollox.Flying Hippo wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:34 pmThank you.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:30 pm
Your point on Diversity is overblown hyperbole and strawmanism. Its not a sacred dogma, it is to be respected and not binned just because a few people like Mendoza get over emotional and lose the plot.
The Labour Party has not lost its morality nor is it a cesspit. Nor is it correct to label a democratic organisation with 500,000 members a cult. That's just silly.
It's dogma perpetuated by group-think and a zero tolerance of dissent. Clearly.
It's also a cult, a personality cult for many based on JC/Jezza/Absolute Boy/Magic Grandfather. It embraces his bourgeois upbringing and his guilt therof, his spurning of the value of education (or his plain inability to study and learn), his resentment, his fetishisation of certain foreign conflicts which satisfy his simplistic, child-like view of the world, his capacity to have never done a proper day's work in his life, his hatred of "the establishment" without realising that he is the embodiment of it himself as a career agitprop politician.
Worst of all, his tacit support for overt racism in the Labour Party, justified by platitudes and banalities and the wicked and unscrupulous calculation that this overt racism will lose the support of one small community but gain many more from a much larger one which follows an ideology which is utterly incompatible with that the Labour Party used to represent. That's a moral cesspit. That anyone should seek to explain or excuse this is the biggest tragedy of all.
Your last para is quite an accusation and is also utter bollix. There is no tacit support in the Labour Party for racism. Where there are incidents of racist behaviour they are dealt with and if proven expulsions take place.
Why do you keep making stuff up. Do you have a right wing agenda?
If you reply please write in paragraphs and sentences. Cheers J.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:33 am
Wrong.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:27 pmIt always has been. That is the problem of the last 119 years.Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:35 pm It has been overrun by the middle classes though.