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Nope, nor anything about their sponsorship deal with Gazprom.Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:29 amAbsolutely disgusting. Has any justification been given for allowing Russian teams to compete?Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:56 am Champions League final moved to Paris, but Russian teams still allowed to compete in European competitions in neutral countries. Ridiculous.
What neutral countries? Serbia and Moldova? Absolutely ridiculous.Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:56 am Champions League final moved to Paris, but Russian teams still allowed to compete in European competitions in neutral countries. Ridiculous.
Is it anything to do with money? Just a hunch.Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:29 amAbsolutely disgusting. Has any justification been given for allowing Russian teams to compete?Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:56 am Champions League final moved to Paris, but Russian teams still allowed to compete in European competitions in neutral countries. Ridiculous.
More than one thing can be bad, like your takesGeorge M wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:49 pm Whilst this unprovoked invasion can’t be supported, I do feel there is a fair bit of double standard here and it’s difficult to disagree with Lavrov’s statements this morning.
When have we ever sanctioned America for numerous unprovoked incursions. We reap what we sow.
Listening to Vettel this morning stating that he won’t race in Russia whilst happily racing in the US and Arab states.
Care to expand that thoughtCurrywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:07 pmMore than one thing can be bad, like your takesGeorge M wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:49 pm Whilst this unprovoked invasion can’t be supported, I do feel there is a fair bit of double standard here and it’s difficult to disagree with Lavrov’s statements this morning.
When have we ever sanctioned America for numerous unprovoked incursions. We reap what we sow.
Listening to Vettel this morning stating that he won’t race in Russia whilst happily racing in the US and Arab states.
You have to be careful with these claims from both sides, they are almost certainly exagerated or fake. The Russians will win but the best the Ukrainians can do is give them a bloody nose and drag this out hoping the Russian public will become war weary, not that Putin gives a monkeys about casualties.Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:22 pm I've read some reports (admittedly from Ukrainian press) that estimated Russian troop casualties on first day of combat are approx 1,000. If that is even remotely accurate, then the Russian military will be concerned, and it doesn't bode well for them if this is to become a protracted conflict. They'll still "win", but there won't be much celebrating among their population.
Agreed. But it's interesting to see that Russia is now dragging Chechen troops into the conflict (who are all poorly trained conscripts with low moral and interest in the fight). We also now see statements from the Kremlin suggesting a meeting with Ukrainian officials in Minsk to discuss terms. Hopefully the Ukrainians are giving them enough of a bloody nose to sow the tiniest seeds of doubt in the minds of military leaders.StockholmO wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:30 pmYou have to be careful with these claims from both sides, they are almost certainly exagerated or fake. The Russians will win but the best the Ukrainians can do is give them a bloody nose and drag this out hoping the Russian public will become war weary, not that Putin gives a monkeys about casualties.Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:22 pm I've read some reports (admittedly from Ukrainian press) that estimated Russian troop casualties on first day of combat are approx 1,000. If that is even remotely accurate, then the Russian military will be concerned, and it doesn't bode well for them if this is to become a protracted conflict. They'll still "win", but there won't be much celebrating among their population.
The worst outcome for the west would be a swift and decisive victory for the Russians. It would show they’ve got their tactics right and moved on fromChechnya and Georgia where they struggled to defeat a much weaker opponent.
They’ve been using recent conflicts, particularly in Syria as a live fire training exercise. If they do win quickly then this means a lot of soul searching and thinking from the west and heavy investment in defence.
Everyone needs to bombard advertisers and sponsors, and put some consumer power into action.Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:51 pmIs it anything to do with money? Just a hunch.Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:29 amAbsolutely disgusting. Has any justification been given for allowing Russian teams to compete?Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:56 am Champions League final moved to Paris, but Russian teams still allowed to compete in European competitions in neutral countries. Ridiculous.
I’d hope that our clubs will boycott if we have to play them.
Not sure it's wise for Ukranian officials to be going anywhere in Belarus though so seems a bit empty.Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:44 pmAgreed. But it's interesting to see that Russia is now dragging Chechen troops into the conflict (who are all poorly trained conscripts with low moral and interest in the fight). We also now see statements from the Kremlin suggesting a meeting with Ukrainian officials in Minsk to discuss terms. Hopefully the Ukrainians are giving them enough of a bloody nose to sow the tiniest seeds of doubt in the minds of military leaders.StockholmO wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:30 pmYou have to be careful with these claims from both sides, they are almost certainly exagerated or fake. The Russians will win but the best the Ukrainians can do is give them a bloody nose and drag this out hoping the Russian public will become war weary, not that Putin gives a monkeys about casualties.Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:22 pm I've read some reports (admittedly from Ukrainian press) that estimated Russian troop casualties on first day of combat are approx 1,000. If that is even remotely accurate, then the Russian military will be concerned, and it doesn't bode well for them if this is to become a protracted conflict. They'll still "win", but there won't be much celebrating among their population.
The worst outcome for the west would be a swift and decisive victory for the Russians. It would show they’ve got their tactics right and moved on fromChechnya and Georgia where they struggled to defeat a much weaker opponent.
They’ve been using recent conflicts, particularly in Syria as a live fire training exercise. If they do win quickly then this means a lot of soul searching and thinking from the west and heavy investment in defence.
Thanks Dunners. I saw pictures of Russian ‘POWS’ who didn’t look like professional Russian soldiers. Also saw on the news that a Russian battalion surrendered claiming they didn’t know they were being sent into combat. Again, I’d be wary of believing claims from both sides. The truth won’t come out for a few years. I just hope the Ukrainians make this a price the Russians will not want to pay.Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:44 pmAgreed. But it's interesting to see that Russia is now dragging Chechen troops into the conflict (who are all poorly trained conscripts with low moral and interest in the fight). We also now see statements from the Kremlin suggesting a meeting with Ukrainian officials in Minsk to discuss terms. Hopefully the Ukrainians are giving them enough of a bloody nose to sow the tiniest seeds of doubt in the minds of military leaders.StockholmO wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:30 pmYou have to be careful with these claims from both sides, they are almost certainly exagerated or fake. The Russians will win but the best the Ukrainians can do is give them a bloody nose and drag this out hoping the Russian public will become war weary, not that Putin gives a monkeys about casualties.Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:22 pm I've read some reports (admittedly from Ukrainian press) that estimated Russian troop casualties on first day of combat are approx 1,000. If that is even remotely accurate, then the Russian military will be concerned, and it doesn't bode well for them if this is to become a protracted conflict. They'll still "win", but there won't be much celebrating among their population.
The worst outcome for the west would be a swift and decisive victory for the Russians. It would show they’ve got their tactics right and moved on fromChechnya and Georgia where they struggled to defeat a much weaker opponent.
They’ve been using recent conflicts, particularly in Syria as a live fire training exercise. If they do win quickly then this means a lot of soul searching and thinking from the west and heavy investment in defence.
Not sure I believe that figure, the lack of an independent press in Russia should ensure it's un/under reported anyway.Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:22 pm I've read some reports (admittedly from Ukrainian press) that estimated Russian troop casualties on first day of combat are approx 1,000. If that is even remotely accurate, then the Russian military will be concerned, and it doesn't bode well for them if this is to become a protracted conflict. They'll still "win", but there won't be much celebrating among their population.
Maybe Trump offering a removal of russian sanctions emboldened Putin .Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 4:08 pm Regardless of what anyone may think of Trump, here's a clip of him calling out Germany about six years ago. He bangs on about their disproportionately low contribution to NATO defences, and their decision to invest in Russian gas (and how this exposes them to Russian influence).
Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 4:08 pm Regardless of what anyone may think of Trump, here's a clip of him calling out Germany about six years ago. He bangs on about their disproportionately low contribution to NATO defences, and their decision to invest in Russian gas (and how this exposes them to Russian influence).
faldO wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:25 pm Ukrainian woman offers seeds to Russian soldiers so 'sunflowers grow when they die'
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video ... iers-video
A sad and remarkable encounter.