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Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:56 am
by Disoriented
Orientinoz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:33 am
Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:13 pm
Clearly yes.
Not sure how the main point has been missed. Are you confusing us with Max?
Are you trying to stir Maxy by any chance?
I think he is more shaken but not stirred.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:09 am
by CreamofSumYungGai
Orientinoz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:00 am
CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:06 pm
Orientinoz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:36 pm
Creamy both you and Dissy have missed the main point...Do you think anyone would trust Corbyn with sensitive intelligence on Terrorist activity..? Im not suggesting Boris or anyone else....
Well yes, obviously they would.
I wouldn't and I would be fairly sure Israel wouldn't either, given the perceived antisemetic position taken by his party.
I’m pretty sure Israel are fully aware of the true position of the party with regards to the anti Semitic ‘problem’.
They might take issue with the party’s position on Palestine, mind you.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:24 am
by Disoriented
CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:09 am
Orientinoz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:00 am
I wouldn't and I would be fairly sure Israel wouldn't either, given the perceived antisemetic position taken by his party.
I’m pretty sure Israel are fully aware of the true position of the party with regards to the anti Semitic ‘problem’.
They might take issue with the party’s position on Palestine, mind you.
I am sure they are philosophical on the matter, as well as following an old Israeli proverb:
A rolling stone gathers no mossad.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:28 pm
by Orientinoz
Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:56 am
Orientinoz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:33 am
Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:13 pm
Clearly yes.
Not sure how the main point has been missed. Are you confusing us with Max?
Are you trying to stir Maxy by any chance?
I think he is more shaken but not stirred.
Cant see Maxy as another James Bond....maybe more of a Ward Bond...there Im showing my age..
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:49 pm
by Disoriented
Orientinoz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:28 pm
Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:56 am
Orientinoz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:33 am
Are you trying to stir Maxy by any chance?
I think he is more shaken but not stirred.
Cant see Maxy as another James Bond....maybe more of a Ward Bond...there Im showing my age..
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:32 am
by Orientinoz
Mods may as well shut this thread down as the Labour Party becomes less and less relevant...They will have to serve as a minor player in some sort of lefty coalition with the LibDems to have any say in government. And thats IF the LibDems can out poll the Brexit Party at the next GE.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:47 am
by greyhound
Orientinoz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:32 am
Mods may as well shut this thread down as the Labour Party becomes less and less relevant...They will have to serve as a minor player in some sort of lefty coalition with the LibDems to have any say in government. And thats IF the LibDems can out poll the Brexit Party at the next GE.
a general election is a certainty.
it will be a close call with the Brexit party just edging it.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:19 am
by Orientinoz
greyhound wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:47 am
Orientinoz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:32 am
Mods may as well shut this thread down as the Labour Party becomes less and less relevant...They will have to serve as a minor player in some sort of lefty coalition with the LibDems to have any say in government. And thats IF the LibDems can out poll the Brexit Party at the next GE.
a general election is a certainty.
it will be a close call with the Brexit party just edging it.
Could be right there bud...
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:06 am
by Mikero
How will the Brexit party do that when they will split the right-wing, leave, vote with the Tories in every constituency where they stand? The arithmatic does not work, remember the huge poll figures that UKIP gained, it got them one MP and a Tory deserter at that.
Mikero
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:14 am
by Dunners
The Brexit Party have no intention of splitting the right-wing vote when it matters. They are simply there to pressure Tory policy in the 'right' direction.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:28 pm
by greyhound
Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:14 am
The Brexit Party have no intention of splitting the right-wing vote when it matters. They are simply there to pressure Tory policy in the 'right' direction.
unlike the labour party just watch panorama.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:33 pm
by F*ck The Poor & Fat
The Labour Party will regroup under a new leader at some point. Don’t know how long it will be but of course it will happen. If Corbyn fails at the next GE the party will seek a new leader, his age alone makes that inevitable.
We just need to bide our time. Just a temporary issue.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:01 pm
by Orientinoz
Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:14 am
The Brexit Party have no intention of splitting the right-wing vote when it matters. They are simply there to pressure Tory policy in the 'right' direction.
I also believe the Brexit Party is going after Labour, they see quite a lot of low hanging fruit there just right for the picking...
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:37 pm
by CreamofSumYungGai
dOh Nut wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:33 pm
The Labour Party will regroup under a new leader at some point. Don’t know how long it will be but of course it will happen. If Corbyn fails at the next GE the party will seek a new leader, his age alone makes that inevitable.
We just need to bide our time. Just a temporary issue.
'We' when talking about Labour.
Problem is, whoever comes in next is going to have to follow in Corbyn's shoes, us members won't have it any other way. This reverting back to Old Labour ain't temporary.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:18 pm
by Disoriented
CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:37 pm
dOh Nut wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:33 pm
The Labour Party will regroup under a new leader at some point. Don’t know how long it will be but of course it will happen. If Corbyn fails at the next GE the party will seek a new leader, his age alone makes that inevitable.
We just need to bide our time. Just a temporary issue.
'We' when talking about Labour.
Problem is, whoever comes in next is going to have to follow in Corbyn's shoes, us members won't have it any other way. This reverting back to Old Labour ain't temporary.
By old Labour, do you mean ‘new’ labour, as that is long enough ago now for us to feel nostalgic about it.
New is the new old.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:39 pm
by Mikero
Did 'Old Labour' ever win a general elaction? I seem to remember a minority government, but that was a long time ago.
Mikero
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:44 pm
by ComeOnYouOs
Mikero wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:39 pm
Did 'Old Labour' ever win a general elaction? I seem to remember a minority government, but that was a long time ago.
Mikero
Clem Attlee won in 1945, Harold Wilson won in 64 & 66, and again in 74
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:51 pm
by Clive Evans
Last Left -Wing Leader that we had was Michael Foot. He set the world alight didn't he?
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:17 pm
by Jeremy Bentham
It's a different ball game now, like CreamofSumYungGai said, the membership won't vote for anyone other than Corbyn or someone who carries forward the same policies and world view.
The right are spluttering their last gasp before fading into the irrelevance they always should have been.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:22 pm
by F*ck The Poor & Fat
Jeremy Bentham wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:17 pm
It's a different ball game now, like CreamofSumYungGai said, the membership won't vote for anyone other than Corbyn or someone who carries forward the same policies and world view.
The right are spluttering their last gasp before fading into the irrelevance they always should have been.
So those who voted in Blair are no longer members of Labour. His policies were different to Corbyn.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:53 pm
by Bluecap
And still the Membership grows, happy days.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:56 pm
by F*ck The Poor & Fat
Bluecap wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:53 pm
And still the Membership grows, happy days.
But is it the type of membership that will be good or bad?
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:32 pm
by CreamofSumYungGai
Jeremy Bentham wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:17 pm
It's a different ball game now, like CreamofSumYungGai said, the membership won't vote for anyone other than Corbyn or someone who carries forward the same policies and world view.
The right are spluttering their last gasp before fading into the irrelevance they always should have been.
Just need to get 30 MPs to back someone from the left in the first place......
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:33 pm
by CreamofSumYungGai
dOh Nut wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:22 pm
Jeremy Bentham wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:17 pm
It's a different ball game now, like CreamofSumYungGai said, the membership won't vote for anyone other than Corbyn or someone who carries forward the same policies and world view.
The right are spluttering their last gasp before fading into the irrelevance they always should have been.
So those who voted in Blair are no longer members of Labour. His policies were different to Corbyn.
Lots aren’t. You hear quite a few of them bleating on the tv and radio a fair bit.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:04 am
by Mikero
The Tories are in such a mess that Mr Bean as Labour leader would have them higher in the polls, oh sorry they already tried that, its how Corbyn got elected in the first place.
Mikero