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Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2024 11:34 am**

It was an ok save last night but one the keeper would expect to make. The header was fairly central and nowhere near the far corner, where it should have gone.

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2024 11:39 am**

I bet all the Austrian fans are happy this morning. Playing fluid, exiting football all the way to the last 16.

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2024 11:45 am**

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 11:32 am
gshaw wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 10:16 am A question, if we were to fluke our way to the final via this turgid football and sneaking 1 goal wins then get comprehensively taken apart by Germany / Spain in the final is that success or failure?

Watching those two sides the ball moves quickly and efficiently compared to our plodding back and sideways. I think the crux of the complaints is fans seeing us make hard work of lower ranked teams and knowing deep down if we play like that against a top side it'll be painful to watch.
If we got to a second consecutive euros final having only ever made a single final previously in our history, then yes it'd be insane not to class that as a success.

I'm more worried about us getting done by an Austria or Switzerland, who we should be undoubtedly beating but would struggle to based on performances at the tournament.

Also: there is absolutely nothing new about England lumbering unconvincingly through a tournament, then coming unstuck against the first truly fancied side they come up against - usually as England finally raise their game. In fact that's pretty typical for us (Mexico 86, Italia 90, France 98 being classics of the genre)... the only difference is that Southgate's "luck" means we go a lot deeper before that happens.

He's actually smashed quite a few curses over the years: winning a shootout in a World Cup, winning an opening match at the Euros, beating a fancied side in a knockout. And he's still in with a chance of smashing another one over the next couple of weeks.

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2024 1:03 pm**

OyinbO wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 11:45 am
Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 11:32 am
gshaw wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 10:16 am A question, if we were to fluke our way to the final via this turgid football and sneaking 1 goal wins then get comprehensively taken apart by Germany / Spain in the final is that success or failure?

Watching those two sides the ball moves quickly and efficiently compared to our plodding back and sideways. I think the crux of the complaints is fans seeing us make hard work of lower ranked teams and knowing deep down if we play like that against a top side it'll be painful to watch.
If we got to a second consecutive euros final having only ever made a single final previously in our history, then yes it'd be insane not to class that as a success.

I'm more worried about us getting done by an Austria or Switzerland, who we should be undoubtedly beating but would struggle to based on performances at the tournament.
Also: there is absolutely nothing new about England lumbering unconvincingly through a tournament, then coming unstuck against the first truly fancied side they come up against - usually as England finally raise their game. In fact that's pretty typical for us (Mexico 86, Italia 90, France 98 being classics of the genre)... the only difference is that Southgate's "luck" means we go a lot deeper before that happens.

He's actually smashed quite a few curses over the years: winning a shootout in a World Cup, winning an opening match at the Euros, beating a fancied side in a knockout. And he's still in with a chance of smashing another one over the next couple of weeks.

People forget that every single tournament.

They also forget its very rare one team coasts its way to victory throughout the month.

Every team in the euros has come up against it. Belgium were up there with the favourites and couldn't beat Ukraine or Slovakia. France drew with lowly Poland. Portugal lost to Georgia. The only team who've made it look relatively easy have been spain.

Posted: **Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:37 am**

Go on Southgate, flip the team. be daring. What about starting without Kane, Foden and Saka in favour of Palmer, Mainoo and one other? When they come on as subs, they would have a point to prove - I reckon they would then attempt to prove their worth to the team. Apparently, there are tensions in the squad - shake it up!

Posted: **Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:45 am**

Give it to Jabo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:37 am Go on Southgate, flip the team. be daring. What about starting without Kane, Foden and Saka in favour of Palmer, Mainoo and one other? When they come on as subs, they would have a point to prove - I reckon they would then attempt to prove their worth to the team. Apparently, there are tensions in the squad - shake it up!

Ridiculous

Posted: **Thu Jul 04, 2024 9:35 am**

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:45 am
Give it to Jabo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:37 am Go on Southgate, flip the team. be daring. What about starting without Kane, Foden and Saka in favour of Palmer, Mainoo and one other? When they come on as subs, they would have a point to prove - I reckon they would then attempt to prove their worth to the team. Apparently, there are tensions in the squad - shake it up!
Ridiculous

Interesting. Can you expand?

Posted: **Thu Jul 04, 2024 9:39 am**

Give it to Jabo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 9:35 am
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:45 am
Give it to Jabo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:37 am Go on Southgate, flip the team. be daring. What about starting without Kane, Foden and Saka in favour of Palmer, Mainoo and one other? When they come on as subs, they would have a point to prove - I reckon they would then attempt to prove their worth to the team. Apparently, there are tensions in the squad - shake it up!
Ridiculous
Interesting. Can you expand?

Maybe you could expand on why, for example, you think that dropping out best striker (possibly ever) and one of the best forwards in the world for a crucial knock out quarter final is a good idea and would elevate tensions?

Posted: **Thu Jul 04, 2024 11:09 am**

Gladly. The three players I have mentioned are great players, but they have not been playing to their full potential so far- lack of confidence, responding negatively to criticism, fatigue etc may be factors Do they reuqire an opportunity to rest? The tensions I have alluded to relate to some of the younger players in the squad complaining about their lack of game time - I have gleaned this through listening to the Talksport coverage. Our better moments in the tournament so far have tended to be when substitutions have been made and these players have been thrown on to prove their worth.

Posted: **Fri Jul 05, 2024 7:02 pm**

Come on, die deutschen!

Posted: **Fri Jul 05, 2024 8:35 pm**

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 7:02 pm Come on, die deutschen!

Jinxed it.

Posted: **Sat Jul 06, 2024 10:48 am**

Today’s game,now let me guess. 4 at the back 2 holding midfields 3 in the middle and Harry Kane up front. Plus as many defenders on the bench as possible and Ivan Tony just in case we have a minute left on the clock.

Posted: **Sat Jul 06, 2024 12:26 pm**

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 10:48 am Today’s game,now let me guess. 4 at the back 2 holding midfields 3 in the middle and Harry Kane up front. Plus as many defenders on the bench as possible and Ivan Tony just in case we have a minute left on the clock.

You missed out that if England did manage to get in front, then all players to retreat to around the penalty box area and for the rest of the game, try to hold on grimly to the lead !

Posted: **Sat Jul 06, 2024 12:35 pm**

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 12:26 pm
Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 10:48 am Today’s game,now let me guess. 4 at the back 2 holding midfields 3 in the middle and Harry Kane up front. Plus as many defenders on the bench as possible and Ivan Tony just in case we have a minute left on the clock.
You missed out that if England did manage to get in front, then all players to retreat to around the penalty box area and for the rest of the game, try to hold on grimly to the lead !

Can't be too careful, Sid.

Posted: **Sat Jul 06, 2024 12:53 pm**

Watching the games last night with few strikers, lots of sideways stuff and for the most part teams being quite cautious, perhaps this is just modern football now and Southgate is right?

Once again we have a kind route to the final, it could be the first time we face a big name side if Turkey beat the dutch, unbelievable.

Posted: **Sat Jul 06, 2024 1:42 pm**

The only time England won a major football tournament was under a Labour government.
The final missing piece of the jigsaw has now been put in place for Southgate to go all the way this time.

Posted: **Sat Jul 06, 2024 4:09 pm**

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 10:48 am Today’s game,now let me guess. 4 at the back 2 holding midfields 3 in the middle and Harry Kane up front. Plus as many defenders on the bench as possible and Ivan Tony just in case we have a minute left on the clock.

Wrong again. Surprising

Posted: **Sat Jul 06, 2024 4:18 pm**

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 4:09 pm
Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 10:48 am Today’s game,now let me guess. 4 at the back 2 holding midfields 3 in the middle and Harry Kane up front. Plus as many defenders on the bench as possible and Ivan Tony just in case we have a minute left on the clock.
Wrong again. Surprising

And Saka playing at left wingback.

Posted: **Sat Jul 06, 2024 4:25 pm**

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 4:18 pm
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 4:09 pm
Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 10:48 am Today’s game,now let me guess. 4 at the back 2 holding midfields 3 in the middle and Harry Kane up front. Plus as many defenders on the bench as possible and Ivan Tony just in case we have a minute left on the clock.
Wrong again. Surprising
And Saka playing at left wingback.

Be interesting to see how he does. Started out there but could be wasted. I love him but he’s done f*** all on the right so far.

Overall I think it’s a bold move but a sensible one by sir Gareth. Team looks more balanced and Foden should be involved more.

Only question is trippiers at right back considering he doesn’t get forward but a lot of the Swiss threat comes down their left so probably too risky putting Trent there

Posted: **Sat Jul 06, 2024 5:06 pm**

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 4:25 pm
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 4:18 pm
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 4:09 pm

Wrong again. Surprising
And Saka playing at left wingback.
Be interesting to see how he does. Started out there but could be wasted. I love him but he’s done f*** all on the right so far.

Overall I think it’s a bold move but a sensible one by sir Gareth. Team looks more balanced and Foden should be involved more.

Only question is trippiers at right back considering he doesn’t get forward but a lot of the Swiss threat comes down their left so probably too risky putting Trent there

The line up on BBC tv had Saka at left wing-back and Trippier at right wing-back, but as soon as they kicked off, Saka was on the right and Trippier on the left, very odd ? t

Posted: **Sat Jul 06, 2024 5:34 pm**

Short corner and in three passes its back with Pickford.
Saka gets to the line and crosses it, no one there with Kane on the 18yd line
Absolutely rubbish football

Posted: **Sat Jul 06, 2024 5:43 pm**

I'm hoping we lose so I dont have to watch them again.

Posted: **Sat Jul 06, 2024 5:47 pm**

We are miles apart. France and Spain we are not on the same level

Posted: **Sat Jul 06, 2024 5:48 pm**

England are looking much better under Starmer.

Posted: **Sat Jul 06, 2024 7:45 pm**

I was sitting throughout ET visualising Pickford making that save, just had that feeling he'd win it for us. Cold pens by our boys well done England

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