Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

[Dextercoindexter]

I thought it was a bit long.

Never rush a craftsman.

Gary the Plumber will tell you that (at £100 hour and £125 call out fee)

[BoniO]

I thought Hippo's cut and paste skills were exemplary.

[StockholmO]

That is a sensational piece of writing.

Wasting that on the 6 of us on here only adds to its incredibleness.

Relentless

[tuffers#1]

Oh dear - as is so often the case.

Mrs Zaghari-Ratcliffe's arrest, conviction, incarceration and subsequent treatment is entirely due to the actions of the Iranian state. Nevertheless, the F&CO and HM's Government appear to be the main target of criticism, ejaculated at Boris, risibly, dementedly and hilariously, by some in the posts above.

Why is this always the case? Why is there such a loud and relentless group of you who will take every opportunity to take the side of anyone or anything against your own state? Even Iran?

Mrs Z-R's own comments criticizing the F&CO were interesting in themselves. She avoided any overt criticism of the Iranian regime, which, of course, was the party responsible for her predicament and, of itself, a genuinely theocratically totalitarian regime. But her greater, but still relatively mild, criticism of the Foreign Office and there some of you go, like a dog to a whistle - while the rest of us bristle about that although she seemed quite pleasing to the eye, she was rude and ungrateful. Surely she must have been up to something out there or just pushed her luck too far? She's clearly a leftie anyway.

Iranian Intelligence contains some people who are smarter than some of you and it is a certainty that Mrs Z-R was suitably "prepared" for her release, particularly with regard to handling the media. Remember, she has very close connections with people still in Iran whose wellbeing is at the discretion of the Iranian regime.

Imprecisely but for ease of reference, let's refer to those of you who are led and act as an electronic pack as - "Remainers". You constitute a tiresome but awkward alliance of: the emotionally damaged and permanently aggrieved; the middle-class (what the Chinese refer to as) baizuo; proper old-school lefties (prepared to overlook their own genuine concerns about the EU in pursuit of a greater objective never to be achieved at the ballot box), and, their prey, alas, the indoctrinated young. (Mustn't forget the Shinners - those excusers of child murderers and abusers. The taxpayer-funded, imaginary oppression specialists who cling like a tartle to the little hairs in the anus of the Left.)

You are an extremely malleable group but admirably resolute and tireless in your pursuit of destroying your own society, impervious to being plain wrong on almost everything, time and time again. You believe you are on the side of the angels: non-denominational, gender-neutral, any colour but white (obviously), sumac-sprinkled angels (probably the angels of choice for the Anglican church, the world's first atheistic, suicide-cult of a religion). But in reality most of you misunderstand, wilfully avoid or just lack objectivity, morality, consideration of other perspectives (or indeed that there are any such worthy) and intellectual rigour. Yours is just a simple, lazy and ugly philosophy of destruction.

When you see Johnson weeping in a limo as he leaves No. 10 for the last time/has his head paraded on a spike, some of you may discover that the euphoria you expected to feel is fleeting and that the pleasure or satisfaction you anticipated is tempered with a sense of looming dread.

Many of you have not had children, which is the clearest indication throughout history of a dying society, exacerbated in this instance, by a crazed enthusiasm for abortion (the state-sanctioned, even encouraged, poisoning and/or slicing up of unborn children).

For those of you who have managed to summon up sufficient energy to procreate, it is quite likely that your children's lives will be harder, poorer, more brutal, more unfair, much more dangerous and worse than anything you have ever experienced and, possibly, far, far worse than anything you could have ever imagined. And the irony will be that some of you will realise - far, far too late, of course - that every on-line bleat and whine about buses, Eton and cake has just helped nudge your own society a little towards its own destruction - the most liberal, tolerant, fair, prosperous, meritocratic and successful society in history. The society your children live in will be none of those things.

what a load of old tosh !

[Give it to Jabo]

Oh dear - as is so often the case.

Mrs Zaghari-Ratcliffe's arrest, conviction, incarceration and subsequent treatment is entirely due to the actions of the Iranian state. Nevertheless, the F&CO and HM's Government appear to be the main target of criticism, ejaculated at Boris, risibly, dementedly and hilariously, by some in the posts above.

Why is this always the case? Why is there such a loud and relentless group of you who will take every opportunity to take the side of anyone or anything against your own state? Even Iran?

Mrs Z-R's own comments criticizing the F&CO were interesting in themselves. She avoided any overt criticism of the Iranian regime, which, of course, was the party responsible for her predicament and, of itself, a genuinely theocratically totalitarian regime. But her greater, but still relatively mild, criticism of the Foreign Office and there some of you go, like a dog to a whistle - while the rest of us bristle about that although she seemed quite pleasing to the eye, she was rude and ungrateful. Surely she must have been up to something out there or just pushed her luck too far? She's clearly a leftie anyway.

Iranian Intelligence contains some people who are smarter than some of you and it is a certainty that Mrs Z-R was suitably "prepared" for her release, particularly with regard to handling the media. Remember, she has very close connections with people still in Iran whose wellbeing is at the discretion of the Iranian regime.

Imprecisely but for ease of reference, let's refer to those of you who are led and act as an electronic pack as - "Remainers". You constitute a tiresome but awkward alliance of: the emotionally damaged and permanently aggrieved; the middle-class (what the Chinese refer to as) baizuo; proper old-school lefties (prepared to overlook their own genuine concerns about the EU in pursuit of a greater objective never to be achieved at the ballot box), and, their prey, alas, the indoctrinated young. (Mustn't forget the Shinners - those excusers of child murderers and abusers. The taxpayer-funded, imaginary oppression specialists who cling like a tartle to the little hairs in the anus of the Left.)

You are an extremely malleable group but admirably resolute and tireless in your pursuit of destroying your own society, impervious to being plain wrong on almost everything, time and time again. You believe you are on the side of the angels: non-denominational, gender-neutral, any colour but white (obviously), sumac-sprinkled angels (probably the angels of choice for the Anglican church, the world's first atheistic, suicide-cult of a religion). But in reality most of you misunderstand, wilfully avoid or just lack objectivity, morality, consideration of other perspectives (or indeed that there are any such worthy) and intellectual rigour. Yours is just a simple, lazy and ugly philosophy of destruction.

When you see Johnson weeping in a limo as he leaves No. 10 for the last time/has his head paraded on a spike, some of you may discover that the euphoria you expected to feel is fleeting and that the pleasure or satisfaction you anticipated is tempered with a sense of looming dread.

Many of you have not had children, which is the clearest indication throughout history of a dying society, exacerbated in this instance, by a crazed enthusiasm for abortion (the state-sanctioned, even encouraged, poisoning and/or slicing up of unborn children).

For those of you who have managed to summon up sufficient energy to procreate, it is quite likely that your children's lives will be harder, poorer, more brutal, more unfair, much more dangerous and worse than anything you have ever experienced and, possibly, far, far worse than anything you could have ever imagined. And the irony will be that some of you will realise - far, far too late, of course - that every on-line bleat and whine about buses, Eton and cake has just helped nudge your own society a little towards its own destruction - the most liberal, tolerant, fair, prosperous, meritocratic and successful society in history. The society your children live in will be none of those things.

Drugs are bad. Just say “No!”

[Chief crazy horse]

Oh dear - as is so often the case.

Mrs Zaghari-Ratcliffe's arrest, conviction, incarceration and subsequent treatment is entirely due to the actions of the Iranian state. Nevertheless, the F&CO and HM's Government appear to be the main target of criticism, ejaculated at Boris, risibly, dementedly and hilariously, by some in the posts above.

Why is this always the case? Why is there such a loud and relentless group of you who will take every opportunity to take the side of anyone or anything against your own state? Even Iran?

Mrs Z-R's own comments criticizing the F&CO were interesting in themselves. She avoided any overt criticism of the Iranian regime, which, of course, was the party responsible for her predicament and, of itself, a genuinely theocratically totalitarian regime. But her greater, but still relatively mild, criticism of the Foreign Office and there some of you go, like a dog to a whistle - while the rest of us bristle about that although she seemed quite pleasing to the eye, she was rude and ungrateful. Surely she must have been up to something out there or just pushed her luck too far? She's clearly a leftie anyway.

Iranian Intelligence contains some people who are smarter than some of you and it is a certainty that Mrs Z-R was suitably "prepared" for her release, particularly with regard to handling the media. Remember, she has very close connections with people still in Iran whose wellbeing is at the discretion of the Iranian regime.

Imprecisely but for ease of reference, let's refer to those of you who are led and act as an electronic pack as - "Remainers". You constitute a tiresome but awkward alliance of: the emotionally damaged and permanently aggrieved; the middle-class (what the Chinese refer to as) baizuo; proper old-school lefties (prepared to overlook their own genuine concerns about the EU in pursuit of a greater objective never to be achieved at the ballot box), and, their prey, alas, the indoctrinated young. (Mustn't forget the Shinners - those excusers of child murderers and abusers. The taxpayer-funded, imaginary oppression specialists who cling like a tartle to the little hairs in the anus of the Left.)

You are an extremely malleable group but admirably resolute and tireless in your pursuit of destroying your own society, impervious to being plain wrong on almost everything, time and time again. You believe you are on the side of the angels: non-denominational, gender-neutral, any colour but white (obviously), sumac-sprinkled angels (probably the angels of choice for the Anglican church, the world's first atheistic, suicide-cult of a religion). But in reality most of you misunderstand, wilfully avoid or just lack objectivity, morality, consideration of other perspectives (or indeed that there are any such worthy) and intellectual rigour. Yours is just a simple, lazy and ugly philosophy of destruction.

When you see Johnson weeping in a limo as he leaves No. 10 for the last time/has his head paraded on a spike, some of you may discover that the euphoria you expected to feel is fleeting and that the pleasure or satisfaction you anticipated is tempered with a sense of looming dread.

Many of you have not had children, which is the clearest indication throughout history of a dying society, exacerbated in this instance, by a crazed enthusiasm for abortion (the state-sanctioned, even encouraged, poisoning and/or slicing up of unborn children).

For those of you who have managed to summon up sufficient energy to procreate, it is quite likely that your children's lives will be harder, poorer, more brutal, more unfair, much more dangerous and worse than anything you have ever experienced and, possibly, far, far worse than anything you could have ever imagined. And the irony will be that some of you will realise - far, far too late, of course - that every on-line bleat and whine about buses, Eton and cake has just helped nudge your own society a little towards its own destruction - the most liberal, tolerant, fair, prosperous, meritocratic and successful society in history. The society your children live in will be none of those things.

Not so sure about the children's future etc, but a lot of truth in this, nevertheless. I like hearing the truth.

[tuffers#1]

Forced to sign a false confession infront of a UK official , not a good deal brokered by this T*ry government

[Max B Gold]

Forced to sign a false confession infront of a UK official , not a good deal brokered by this T*ry government

We only have the word of a jailbird that it's false.

[tuffers#1]

Forced to sign a false confession infront of a UK official , not a good deal brokered by this T*ry government

We only have the word of a jailbird that it's false.

Giuseppe Conlon was a Jailbird .

British People allowed that travesty of shameful
Injustice to happen under the auspice of what is " false "

[Max B Gold]

Whit??

As far as I know Guiseppe was not a British spy.

[tuffers#1]

Whit??

As far as I know Guiseppe was not a British spy.

So you have proof she was a spy ?

Giuseppe was arrested & tried dor being a
Bomb maker & his hands were covered in gelignite .

Funny how Propaganda can be played .

[Max B Gold]

Whit??

As far as I know Guiseppe was not a British spy.

So you have proof she was a spy ?

Giuseppe was arrested & tried dor being a
Bomb maker & his hands were covered in gelignite .

Funny how Propaganda can be played .

Do you have proof she wasn't?

[tuffers#1]

Whit??

As far as I know Guiseppe was not a British spy.

So you have proof she was a spy ?

Giuseppe was arrested & tried dor being a
Bomb maker & his hands were covered in gelignite .

Funny how Propaganda can be played .

Do you have proof she wasn't?

Innocent until proven guilty in a
Court of law tried by the public
Means the defendant doesnt have
to prove a case of Innocence .

Ball is firmly back in your part of the
Court wee laddie

[Max B Gold]

So you have proof she was a spy ?

Giuseppe was arrested & tried dor being a
Bomb maker & his hands were covered in gelignite .

Funny how Propaganda can be played .

Do you have proof she wasn't?

Innocent until proven guilty in a
Court of law tried by the public
Means the defendant doesnt have
to prove a case of Innocence .

Ball is firmly back in your part of the
Court wee laddie

Not really.

You're not even asking the right questions.

Giuseppe was innocent.

[tuffers#1]

Do you have proof she wasn't?

Innocent until proven guilty in a
Court of law tried by the public
Means the defendant doesnt have
to prove a case of Innocence .

Ball is firmly back in your part of the
Court wee laddie

Not really.

You're not even asking the right questions.

Giuseppe was innocent.

Yet he died in prison because he was set up by the powers that be & was portrayed as something different . The gullable population still fall for media suggestion ! Innocence now needs to be proved to the Gullable . I Expect more from a self proclaimed LEGEND .

[Max B Gold]

Innocent until proven guilty in a
Court of law tried by the public
Means the defendant doesnt have
to prove a case of Innocence .

Ball is firmly back in your part of the
Court wee laddie

Not really.

You're not even asking the right questions.

Giuseppe was innocent.

Yet he died in prison because he was set up by the powers that be & was portrayed as something different . The gullable population still fall for media suggestion ! Innocence now needs to be proved to the Gullable . I Expect more from a self proclaimed LEGEND .

We weren't even talking about Giuseppe until you crowbarred it into the thread as some sort of deflection from the British spy who went to jail in Iran.

Btw, It's not just me who proclaims legendary status. I have at least two others I can rely on.

[tuffers#1]

Not really.

You're not even asking the right questions.

Giuseppe was innocent.

Yet he died in prison because he was set up by the powers that be & was portrayed as something different . The gullable population still fall for media suggestion ! Innocence now needs to be proved to the Gullable . I Expect more from a self proclaimed LEGEND .

We weren't even talking about Giuseppe until you crowbarred it into the thread as some sort of deflection from the British spy who went to jail in Iran.

Btw, It's not just me who proclaims legendary status. I have at least two others I can rely on.

Just showing you how propoganda really works . Still offering no proof she was a spy ?

[Dunners]

Anyone else see her interview with Emma Barnett on BBC1 yesterday evening?

Heavily edited and light on the detail, which I'd expect for an evening primetime slot. It sounded like she was put through hell. However, I'm still unable to join up all the dots.

She claimed that the Iranian regime kidnaps a few people each year to extort money out of foreign governments. There are at least four obvious follow-on questions to that which did not appear to be asked:

• Do the Iranians simply select their targets at random (in which case she was unlucky), or are these kidnap targets pre-selected (in which case, why her)?

• Would she advise other Iranian expats to take the risk of returning to visit relatives if this is a risk they face?

• By paying the 'ransom' (even if it is connected to the historic debt between the UK Government and the pre-revolutionary Iranian regime), has UKG rewarded Iran for its conduct and now put other visitors at risk?

• By making this statement and her criticisms of the Revolutionary Guard, is she putting her family in Iran at risk?

[Chief crazy horse]

Yeah, yeah, we all know about innocent before being proven guilty, but people also have their own personal opinions. And it's my opinion that this woman must have done something in some way shape or form subversive towards the Iranian government. If I was "completely" innocent, after spending 6years in jail I would never stop saying so when interviewed. I don't believe anyone would let it drop. But I never see this coming from her. For me, she was up to something...

[BoniO]

Agreed, the Iranian regime have always been scrupulously fair in all their dealings.

[Dunners]

Agreed, the Iranian regime have always been scrupulously fair in all their dealings.

Heh. But the chief does have a point though. Given that this was a primetime slot on BBC1, it would have been pretty run-of-the-mill to ask a straightforward question, such as "Can you confirm that you are innocent of the allegations made of you by the Iranian regime?"

The absence of such a question, and the others I've suggested, is a bit suspect. There may be good reasons for this, such as her and her family being sick to the back teeth of it all. But the interview seemed to be very 'managed' and didn't seem to deal with the more obvious questions. Emma Barnett is not shy when it comes to interviews either, as I've seen her handle the likes of John Bolton.

I'm still giving Nazanin the benefit of the doubt. But there's enough about this to make me think that, should it be revealed in future that she was up to something, I wouldn't be entirely surprised either.

[Max B Gold]

Yeah, yeah, we all know about innocent before being proven guilty, but people also have their own personal opinions. And it's my opinion that this woman must have done something in some way shape or form subversive towards the Iranian government. If I was "completely" innocent, after spending 6years in jail I would never stop saying so when interviewed. I don't believe anyone would let it drop. But I never see this coming from her. For me, she was up to something...

She seems very reluctant to present conclusive evidence that she wasn't up to something. Something fishy going on.

[tuffers#1]

Agreed, the Iranian regime have always been scrupulously fair in all their dealings.

Indeed , but our 3 resident spy catchers seem to think differently .
For me its all about further failings of the uk govt, yet the neeps &tattie comrade seems to be deflecting attention away from its failings.
I suspect our comrades have a saboteur in our circle !

[Chief crazy horse]

Agreed, the Iranian regime have always been scrupulously fair in all their dealings.

Diversion ahead.

[spen666]

Yeah, yeah, we all know about innocent before being proven guilty, but people also have their own personal opinions. ...

Was she not "proven guilty" in the Iranian courts?