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Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:21 am And how many of those did you disapprove of at the time Captain Hindsight?

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:08 am

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:21 am And how many of those did you disapprove of at the time Captain Hindsight?

It’s interesting you call out people for being negs when they call things before they happened but then also blame people using hindsight. Pick a side.

The general point about Kenny is true though. 99% of fans were happy with the appointment. There’s an argument that sh*t happens and it just didn’t work out. There’s an argument that it not working out points to something strange happening in the background. There’s also an argument that the process has failed again and the people in those interviews, with more footballing knowledge than us made a bad call. I think the last one has some truth judging by Porters comments on Twitter alluding to the fact that Kennys personality, or lack thereof, wasn’t really considered when hiring him.

Either way, we really really can’t afford another f*** up. Currency with the owners is starting to run low. A group of successful business men should be able to right this ship, as long as they review their mistakes and aren’t stuck in their ways.

Chocolate_brownie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:14 am

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:21 am And how many of those did you disapprove of at the time Captain Hindsight?

From my perceptive:

Embleton x2 should never have had the job. The second time he was appointed was so amateur it was laughable. I actually feel sorry for the bloke because he was probably an alright coach thrown into a job he didn’t have the capabilities to do.

Fletcher. A bit of an unknown entity. I wasn’t wholly against it but also was massively underwhelmed. The subsequent handling of his sacking was embarrassing.

Jobi. Thought it was a bad appointment at the time. Even more baffling was the short term nature of it. Either hire someone and show some faith in them by giving them a 2 year contract of don’t bother at all. This “let’s see how it goes” nonsense is damaging and borderline insulting to the person in charge (in this case, Jobi). To be perfectly honest I nice bloke like Jobi should stay well clear of managerial roles. He’s a well spoken, insightful guy and (I’ve been told by others) is very attractive. He should be looking forward to a career in the media/tv.

Jackett. Thought it was a great move. Genuinely believe in him and early signs were largely positive. Football is like life. Sometimes sh*t happens and you can’t really understand why. Either way, sh*t did happen and he’s now gone.

New bloke - don’t really care who it is as long as they can keep us up. That’s seriously the only goal for now. The names which have been thrown about the past week on this forum all seem reasonable. Just get someone in, and quickly.

OyinbO wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:21 am

Chocolate_brownie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:14 am

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:21 am And how many of those did you disapprove of at the time Captain Hindsight?

From my perceptive:

Embleton x2 should never have had the job. The second time he was appointed was so amateur it was laughable. I actually feel sorry for the bloke because he was probably an alright coach thrown into a job he didn’t have the capabilities to do.

Fletcher. A bit of an unknown entity. I wasn’t wholly against it but also was massively underwhelmed. The subsequent handling of his sacking was embarrassing.

Jobi. Thought it was a bad appointment at the time. Even more baffling was the short term nature of it. Either hire someone and show some faith in them by giving them a 2 year contract of don’t bother at all. This “let’s see how it goes” nonsense is damaging and borderline insulting to the person in charge (in this case, Jobi). To be perfectly honest I nice bloke like Jobi should stay well clear of managerial roles. He’s a well spoken, insightful guy and (I’ve been told by others) is very attractive. He should be looking forward to a career in the media/tv.

Jackett. Thought it was a great move. Genuinely believe in him and early signs were largely positive. Football is like life. Sometimes sh*t happens and you can’t really understand why. Either way, sh*t did happen and he’s now gone.

New bloke - don’t really care who it is as long as they can keep us up. That’s seriously the only goal for now. The names which have been thrown about the past week on this forum all seem reasonable. Just get someone in, and quickly.

Agree with all of that, save for Jobi's potential - I think he has plenty, and he certainly got the players performing again until Ling told him to tell half of them that they would be leaving.

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:03 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:57 am

OldTownO wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:12 am Very interesting comments from Matt Porter on twitter, where he makes it 100% clear that Kenny chose every single player, the club do the due diligence with regard to cost, availability etc, but KJ has the final say. And Matt is clearly in the Martin Ling corner, so I don’t see Ling going anywhere very soon. I don’t know Matt very well, but he appears a little irritated with the questions being directed at him, fair play for responding, but some compassion wouldn’t go amiss.

That’s just not true from Porter and Martin Ling said so himself. KJ tells the club who he wants and then the club gets him his 5th choices because they can’t/won’t afford it. There’s no way KJ would be asking for kids from non-league when we need experienced players, when admitting to being in a relegation battle. The bloke had a one year rolling contract, why would he be asking for players to develop for the future?

Would agree with this comment, Brown was thought not good enough 4 months ago so why now? Yep this has got Bertie big bananas written all over it by the board, I’ve never believed Jacket was the right fit from day one but as said I don’t think he had much of a choice as far as the last window was concerned? I’m certain that Ling isn’t. The board give it large and some supporters are gullible to believe it,however it’s not there fault as some people are more trusting than others

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 8:10 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 8:09 pm

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 7:04 pm Why wasn’t Harold shown the door at the beginning of the season like all the other coaches we got rid of. Because of this very situation. Ling can manipulate Harold like he has with previous managers. Make no mistake about it this club will never be a success while he’s pulling the strings in the back ground

What a bizarre conspiracy theory.

Of course. Ling has got into some people's heads so much that they think he is so much more powerful than he actually is. Sure most people think of him like Emperor Palpatine.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:42 am

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:03 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:57 am
That’s just not true from Porter and Martin Ling said so himself. KJ tells the club who he wants and then the club gets him his 5th choices because they can’t/won’t afford it. There’s no way KJ would be asking for kids from non-league when we need experienced players, when admitting to being in a relegation battle. The bloke had a one year rolling contract, why would he be asking for players to develop for the future?

Would agree with this comment, Brown was thought not good enough 4 months ago so why now? Yep this has got Bertie big bananas written all over it by the board, I’ve never believed Jacket was the right fit from day one but as said I don’t think he had much of a choice as far as the last window was concerned? I’m certain that Ling isn’t. The board give it large and some supporters are gullible to believe it,however it’s not there fault as some people are more trusting than others

I got it wrong with Jackett and I’m sure everyone else who wanted him will admit that too. As soon as he signed, I could see he wasn’t interested from his first interview. That last paragraph is spot on. They play lip service the whole time to be ‘transparent’ and ‘not like the last ownership’. Yeah, the financial side is good and they’ve stablised the club but the footballing side of it is so far off plan.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:13 am

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:07 am

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:21 am And how many of those did you disapprove of at the time Captain Hindsight?

5

Prove it

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:43 pm Gilso blames box ticking virtue signalling

Whatever could he mean?

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:57 am

OldTownO wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:12 am Very interesting comments from Matt Porter on twitter, where he makes it 100% clear that Kenny chose every single player, the club do the due diligence with regard to cost, availability etc, but KJ has the final say. And Matt is clearly in the Martin Ling corner, so I don’t see Ling going anywhere very soon. I don’t know Matt very well, but he appears a little irritated with the questions being directed at him, fair play for responding, but some compassion wouldn’t go amiss.

That’s just not true from Porter and Martin Ling said so himself. KJ tells the club who he wants and then the club gets him his 5th choices because they can’t/won’t afford it. There’s no way KJ would be asking for kids from non-league when we need experienced players, when admitting to being in a relegation battle. The bloke had a one year rolling contract, why would he be asking for players to develop for the future?

lordgriff wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 2:23 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:57 am

OldTownO wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:12 am Very interesting comments from Matt Porter on twitter, where he makes it 100% clear that Kenny chose every single player, the club do the due diligence with regard to cost, availability etc, but KJ has the final say. And Matt is clearly in the Martin Ling corner, so I don’t see Ling going anywhere very soon. I don’t know Matt very well, but he appears a little irritated with the questions being directed at him, fair play for responding, but some compassion wouldn’t go amiss.

That’s just not true from Porter and Martin Ling said so himself. KJ tells the club who he wants and then the club gets him his 5th choices because they can’t/won’t afford it. There’s no way KJ would be asking for kids from non-league when we need experienced players, when admitting to being in a relegation battle. The bloke had a one year rolling contract, why would he be asking for players to develop for the future?

Spot on.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:09 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:42 am

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:03 am

Would agree with this comment, Brown was thought not good enough 4 months ago so why now? Yep this has got Bertie big bananas written all over it by the board, I’ve never believed Jacket was the right fit from day one but as said I don’t think he had much of a choice as far as the last window was concerned? I’m certain that Ling isn’t. The board give it large and some supporters are gullible to believe it,however it’s not there fault as some people are more trusting than others

I got it wrong with Jackett and I’m sure everyone else who wanted him will admit that too. As soon as he signed, I could see he wasn’t interested from his first interview. That last paragraph is spot on. They play lip service the whole time to be ‘transparent’ and ‘not like the last ownership’. Yeah, the financial side is good and they’ve stablised the club but the footballing side of it is so far off plan.

We’re not stable.

We’re still losing millions of pounds each year. We’re still reliant on finding a new wave of ‘investors’ every couple of years to bail out these losses.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 2:10 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:43 pm Gilso blames box ticking virtue signalling

Whatever could he mean?

Is he talking about R***r or the OTF?

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:17 pm Odd comment from Andy Gilson.

lordgriff wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 2:23 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:57 am

OldTownO wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:12 am Very interesting comments from Matt Porter on twitter, where he makes it 100% clear that Kenny chose every single player, the club do the due diligence with regard to cost, availability etc, but KJ has the final say. And Matt is clearly in the Martin Ling corner, so I don’t see Ling going anywhere very soon. I don’t know Matt very well, but he appears a little irritated with the questions being directed at him, fair play for responding, but some compassion wouldn’t go amiss.

That’s just not true from Porter and Martin Ling said so himself. KJ tells the club who he wants and then the club gets him his 5th choices because they can’t/won’t afford it. There’s no way KJ would be asking for kids from non-league when we need experienced players, when admitting to being in a relegation battle. The bloke had a one year rolling contract, why would he be asking for players to develop for the future?

Spot on.

Chocolate_brownie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:11 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 2:10 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:43 pm Gilso blames box ticking virtue signalling

Whatever could he mean?

Is he talking about R***r or the OTF?

Virtue signalling? What on Earth is he talking about? Do people honestly listen to that bigots stupid podcast.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:48 pm Yet he had the likes of Thompson, Wood and Reilly but boco'd them.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 5:44 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:48 pm Yet he had the likes of Thompson, Wood and Reilly but boco'd them.

Reilly & Thompson were injured surely ?

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:08 am

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:21 am And how many of those did you disapprove of at the time Captain Hindsight?

It’s interesting you call out people for being negs when they call things before they happened but then also blame people using hindsight. Pick a side.

The general point about Kenny is true though. 99% of fans were happy with the appointment. There’s an argument that sh*t happens and it just didn’t work out. There’s an argument that it not working out points to something strange happening in the background. There’s also an argument that the process has failed again and the people in those interviews, with more footballing knowledge than us made a bad call. I think the last one has some truth judging by Porters comments on Twitter alluding to the fact that Kennys personality, or lack thereof, wasn’t really considered when hiring him.

Either way, we really really can’t afford another f*** up. Currency with the owners is starting to run low. A group of successful business men should be able to right this ship, as long as they review their mistakes and aren’t stuck in their ways.