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Re: Some of our support
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:39 am
by Lifelongfan
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:26 am
gshaw wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:38 pm
o-no wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:35 pm
It's a fair point. Would we be better off investing the academy money in additional scouts? I'm starting to think we might.
In ye olden days before EPPP came in making a Zakuani or an Odubajo who brought in a £1 million fee made the endeavour worthwhile. Even then the only successes were 8 years apart, not a great return really.
However now you either lose prospects for a pittance if they're not on a pro contract (Ling said we'd lost a few at 15-16 age range) or they go for a low fee once they get into the last year of their initial pro contract. Koroma only made £500-700k and he's the only one we made any significant money on from that entire group.
When there's a constant supply of not-quite-good-enough players coming down from Prem and Championship academies why bother investing all that time and effort to make your own? Looking at the players we've signed in this window it's a pertinent question.
What?
We got £700k for Koroma?
No way. £250k at most
Re: Some of our support
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:47 pm
by gshaw
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:26 am
gshaw wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:38 pm
o-no wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:35 pm
It's a fair point. Would we be better off investing the academy money in additional scouts? I'm starting to think we might.
In ye olden days before EPPP came in making a Zakuani or an Odubajo who brought in a £1 million fee made the endeavour worthwhile. Even then the only successes were 8 years apart, not a great return really.
However now you either lose prospects for a pittance if they're not on a pro contract (Ling said we'd lost a few at 15-16 age range) or they go for a low fee once they get into the last year of their initial pro contract. Koroma only made £500-700k and he's the only one we made any significant money on from that entire group.
When there's a constant supply of not-quite-good-enough players coming down from Prem and Championship academies why bother investing all that time and effort to make your own? Looking at the players we've signed in this window it's a pertinent question.
What?
We got £700k for Koroma?
Of course it's all officially undisclosed but I remember the rumours at the time were £500-700k for Koroma and £200k for Bonne.
Re: Some of our support
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:56 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
Where was that hidden away in the accounts then?
Nowhere near.
Re: Some of our support
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:17 pm
by tuffers#1
I thought korma was upto 500k with add ons & sell on clauses if he was sold for a profit within 2 years
Re: Some of our support
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:45 pm
by BiggsyMalone
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:37 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:32 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:15 pm
The Main problem is your over inflated expectations .
What were your expectations going into this season?
I'm a O's Supporter ,
I have no expectations .
I have Hope it will be good , but it's not the end of life if it isn't.
Is that a satisfactory enough answer for you ?
Not particularly. You have no expectations but you’re policing other peoples.
Re: Some of our support
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:13 am
by Winchesterfan
PoundhillO wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:53 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:20 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:18 pm
So 2 promotions in 13 years against our 1 in 4 under our new regime .
Time is on our side it seems .
What happens if promotion to league 1 isn’t achieved by the end of next season?
For me after such a good start and so called improvements in the squad anything less than play offs is a disaster.
All the promises of extra funding being made available in this transfer window has amounted to next to nothing in bringing in the proven, quality players at this level or above that is desperately needed to get us promoted.
Without the proven, quality players brought in we can kiss goodbye to any chance of even getting in the play offs, which in my opinion is a kick in the teeth to our supporters, who have suffered for far too long.
In my opinion something is very wrong at our club and in my view Ling has to go and give any manager total control over which players come into our club.
I live in West Sussex and have passed my 70th birthday, have been to only one home match and and paid to only watch one stream.
I want to come to more matches but the owners have to prove they are committed to promotion by bringing in the proven, quality players needed to get promoted, to date this year this has not happened and we have played far to negatively and this will not encourage me to watch any matches at the stadium or pay to watch the online stream.
I am sure there must be many supporters that feel the same as me which will effect the club financially.
Wow! A real Orient fan who has not only attended a match BUT also bought a pass for a stream. I admire your loyalty and support and if every O’s fan had the same attitude as you we wouldn’t be where we are now.
See you next season, maybe?
Re: Some of our support
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:50 am
by Rich Tea Wellin
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:43 am
This is nothing to do with us historically being crap / unrealistic expectations.
Jackett/Gallen is setting us up too defensively. They changed the shape and it hasnt worked.
Agree to a point but clearly not that simple.
Re: Some of our support
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:19 am
by tuffers#1
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:45 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:37 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:32 pm
What were your expectations going into this season?
I'm a O's Supporter ,
I have no expectations .
I have Hope it will be good , but it's not the end of life if it isn't.
Is that a satisfactory enough answer for you ?
Not particularly. You have no expectations but you’re policing other peoples.
You can expect what you want
Means absolutely f*ck all though.
You keep setting yourself up for disappointment
Re: Some of our support
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:35 am
by Long slender neck
Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:50 am
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:43 am
This is nothing to do with us historically being crap / unrealistic expectations.
Jackett/Gallen is setting us up too defensively. They changed the shape and it hasnt worked.
Agree to a point but clearly not that simple.
It perhaps worked when we still had Archibald and James
Re: Some of our support
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:26 am
by BiggsyMalone
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:19 am
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:45 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:37 pm
I'm a O's Supporter ,
I have no expectations .
I have Hope it will be good , but it's not the end of life if it isn't.
Is that a satisfactory enough answer for you ?
Not particularly. You have no expectations but you’re policing other peoples.
You can expect what you want
Means absolutely f*ck all though.
You keep setting yourself up for disappointment
Expectations in line with what the club want.
Re: Some of our support
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:30 am
by tuffers#1
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:26 am
Expectations in line with what the club want.
The club want it of course
But the don't throw Hissy Fits like 5 year old when things
Don't go our way .
Re: Some of our support
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:23 am
by Story of O
We don’t see what goes on behind closed doors
Re: Some of our support
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:19 pm
by BiggsyMalone
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:30 am
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:26 am
Expectations in line with what the club want.
The club want it of course
But the don't throw Hissy Fits like 5 year old when things
Don't go our way .
You think multi-millionaires aren’t going to be angry when their investment plan doesn’t come into fruition?
Re: Some of our support
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:25 pm
by tuffers#1
Story of O wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:23 am
We don’t see what goes on behind closed doors
We don't need to
It's the fans on social media acting like petulant 5 year olds
Re: Some of our support
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:26 pm
by tuffers#1
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:19 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:30 am
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:26 am
Expectations in line with what the club want.
The club want it of course
But the don't throw Hissy Fits like 5 year old when things
Don't go our way .
You think multi-millionaires aren’t going to be angry when their investment plan doesn’t come into fruition?
I have no idea how a multi Millionaire would feel if there plans work or not .
