Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Story of O wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:29 pm Kemp is too lightweight and is easily knocked off the ball, he can’t play that killer through ball either. Not sure what he really does

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:19 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:44 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:04 pm

We need more depth but the plan has always been to add in Jan. which I agree with. What’s the point in having back ups and paying them to sit on the bench when you can access what you need in jan?

Although in the short term I’d imagine our rb cover is
Clay but he’s in demand in the middle since pratley got sent off. We have enough defenders though, we’ll be alright til Jan.

To provide quality competition in key areas. When Pratley been playing poorly there's no one to take his place. One injury to James today and the whole team shape is screwed and we end up with 4 CBs on the pitch.

It's one thing to add a couple of reinforcements in Jan but to start the season 4 players down, then sign 2 crocks has made the job far harder than it needed to be. Only have to listen to Gallen's comments on Smyth and Reilly to see what he thinks of them in particular.

The lack of squad depth plus the obsession with seeing academy players as the saviour is what will cost us this season if we don't go up.

Pratley point is null considering he was literally dropped a few weeks ago.

Agree that with a light squad we shouldn’t have been signing players with injury problems. Omotoye is a head scratcher too.

But we are a league two club. You just can’t have 2 quality players for each position. You therefore need to take risks and to use academy players (which we haven’t overdone imo).

But I’m convinced this squad was put together to get us from august to jan, to stay in touch and then to make some quality additions at the right time, when other clubs around us might not be able to. Time will tell but I think we’ll see some big additions. I just hope it isn’t like usual when it’s all done in the last week of jan.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:35 pm Can’t be arsed to post much, that was disgusting.

No one played well today. We were lost without Beckles at the back. Archibald is not and never will be a defender and was at fault for the first. Smith didn’t win a thing against their centre halves today. Kemp is too lightweight.

But the biggest criticism is reserved for Jackett. They were playing three down the middle narrow, offensive midfielder behind two strikers, and just playing long balls into the channels for them to chase, with some success. With our back 3 and Pratley we were 4 v 3 but after the James injury, he went to a back 4 leaving us 3 v 3 centrally, and arguably our 3 slowest players on the pitch in Thommo, Happe and Pratley. Whilst our two quickest CBs went out to full back. Which Mitchell will never be. And he also stuck Archibald out wide right and Drinnan wide left for the whole of the second half, which made nos sense. And left Wood on the bench until really late on, when he had to bring Ogie off before he handed them a third goal.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 8:13 pm Kemp is sh*t. The same issues with the squad last year are happening again with a whole new squad.

Mstevens1959 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 8:22 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:35 pm Can’t be arsed to post much, that was disgusting.

No one played well today. We were lost without Beckles at the back. Archibald is not and never will be a defender and was at fault for the first. Smith didn’t win a thing against their centre halves today. Kemp is too lightweight.

But the biggest criticism is reserved for Jackett. They were playing three down the middle narrow, offensive midfielder behind two strikers, and just playing long balls into the channels for them to chase, with some success. With our back 3 and Pratley we were 4 v 3 but after the James injury, he went to a back 4 leaving us 3 v 3 centrally, and arguably our 3 slowest players on the pitch in Thommo, Happe and Pratley. Whilst our two quickest CBs went out to full back. Which Mitchell will never be. And he also stuck Archibald out wide right and Drinnan wide left for the whole of the second half, which made nos sense. And left Wood on the bench until really late on, when he had to bring Ogie off before he handed them a third goal.

Some truth in some off this and some just nonsense- You do talk some nonsense I have begun to notice lately to be fair.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:38 pm We bought our way out of NL and we basically need to do the same again here. You can't have one RB at the club and hope for the best. Same goes for having the same midfield as last season and hoping a 36 y/o can last the season.

Omotoye always seemed a cheap gamble who might come good and if not he does a job as squad filler for the pointless Papa John's trophy games. The really bad ones are Smyth and Reilly, when will the club learn signing "quality" players with terrible injury records doesn't work?

We're a L2 club with a DoF that costs over £100k a year, if we can afford that pointless post we can add the players we need for promotion.

O my gawd wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:40 am

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:38 pm We bought our way out of NL and we basically need to do the same again here. You can't have one RB at the club and hope for the best. Same goes for having the same midfield as last season and hoping a 36 y/o can last the season.

Omotoye always seemed a cheap gamble who might come good and if not he does a job as squad filler for the pointless Papa John's trophy games. The really bad ones are Smyth and Reilly, when will the club learn signing "quality" players with terrible injury records doesn't work?

We're a L2 club with a DoF that costs over £100k a year, if we can afford that pointless post we can add the players we need for promotion.

Jesus wept, who rattled your cage?
You've been very quiet during our good form this year, but even though we were dreadful yesterday I never expected a meltdown like that.
Had we won yesterday we wouldn't have been promoted & the defeat doesn't mean we are out of the race. We have an excellent & experienced Manager & assistant in KJ & JG so I trust them to put it right.
Now there's a couple of inaccuracies. I don't ever remember us buying our way out of the National league. Are you confusing us with Salford?
Now the point of D of F as a pointless role, even after 4 years if you can't grasp the point of that, you are beyond help. The academy is in good shape, there is a decent structure in place, the training ground I believe is the envy of many L2 clubs & all that leaves KJ to concentrate on team matters.
Now the point of signing injury prone players. Before this season Paul Smyth had made around 160 appearances & Callum Reilly over 200, both of them higher than L2. You don't have to search far on them as it's all on that transfermarket website. Would that suggest they are injury prone, although
admittedly it has been frustrating not to see them.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:59 pm Not that it mattered yesterday, we could've played all night and not created anything, but it had to have been some of the most egregious timewasting I've ever seen. I don't understand how referees have not figured out a better to manage the problem. You see it in most games taken to such a piss take extent. Every touch on a Crawley player resulted in a mysterious injury that was subsequently shaken off within 5 seconds of reaching the touchline.

Of course we do it and I expect us to do it, but it's such an obvious bit of cheating that needs to be scrubbed out of the game. It really sours matches, particularly in lower leagues which, I guess cause it's less technical, are more vulnerable to games falling apart due to loss of momentum.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 1:05 pm

O my gawd wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:40 am

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:38 pm We bought our way out of NL and we basically need to do the same again here. You can't have one RB at the club and hope for the best. Same goes for having the same midfield as last season and hoping a 36 y/o can last the season.

Omotoye always seemed a cheap gamble who might come good and if not he does a job as squad filler for the pointless Papa John's trophy games. The really bad ones are Smyth and Reilly, when will the club learn signing "quality" players with terrible injury records doesn't work?

We're a L2 club with a DoF that costs over £100k a year, if we can afford that pointless post we can add the players we need for promotion.

Jesus wept, who rattled your cage?
You've been very quiet during our good form this year, but even though we were dreadful yesterday I never expected a meltdown like that.
Had we won yesterday we wouldn't have been promoted & the defeat doesn't mean we are out of the race. We have an excellent & experienced Manager & assistant in KJ & JG so I trust them to put it right.
Now there's a couple of inaccuracies. I don't ever remember us buying our way out of the National league. Are you confusing us with Salford?
Now the point of D of F as a pointless role, even after 4 years if you can't grasp the point of that, you are beyond help. The academy is in good shape, there is a decent structure in place, the training ground I believe is the envy of many L2 clubs & all that leaves KJ to concentrate on team matters.
Now the point of signing injury prone players. Before this season Paul Smyth had made around 160 appearances & Callum Reilly over 200, both of them higher than L2. You don't have to search far on them as it's all on that transfermarket website. Would that suggest they are injury prone, although
admittedly it has been frustrating not to see them.

Was replying to Wumble's previous post that we can't afford to have a full squad. Been quiet because I chucked my ST in this season and had other things to do on Saturdays with the time saved travelling to the ground, clearly someone misses the match day live posts

Fact is we bought our way out as much as Salford did, the other NL clubs used to say as much about our budget compared to the rest of the league. Can't see why you think that's a problem though, if you have the funds then use it to your advantage. Travis didn't do all that work bringing in investment for the fun of it.

The DoF is still a pointless role imo, amazing how people give Ling the credit for JE's work getting us out of NL and if we get to L1 it'll somehow be the DoF will try take that too. Manages to sidestep all his failures though, people have short memories.

As for the academy as I've said in the past still think it's a waste of resource at our level and would rather see more Mitchells coming in on loan to fill those gaps in the squad and spending the difference on first team pros instead. I know that rattles a lot of cages as it's not "the Orient way" though.

Re: Reilly was he not injured when he signed? Dale Gorman all over again.

If you think that constitutes a meltdown I'd suggest setting your trigger level a bit higher

gshaw wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 1:05 pm

O my gawd wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:40 am

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:38 pm We bought our way out of NL and we basically need to do the same again here. You can't have one RB at the club and hope for the best. Same goes for having the same midfield as last season and hoping a 36 y/o can last the season.

Omotoye always seemed a cheap gamble who might come good and if not he does a job as squad filler for the pointless Papa John's trophy games. The really bad ones are Smyth and Reilly, when will the club learn signing "quality" players with terrible injury records doesn't work?

We're a L2 club with a DoF that costs over £100k a year, if we can afford that pointless post we can add the players we need for promotion.

Jesus wept, who rattled your cage?
You've been very quiet during our good form this year, but even though we were dreadful yesterday I never expected a meltdown like that.
Had we won yesterday we wouldn't have been promoted & the defeat doesn't mean we are out of the race. We have an excellent & experienced Manager & assistant in KJ & JG so I trust them to put it right.
Now there's a couple of inaccuracies. I don't ever remember us buying our way out of the National league. Are you confusing us with Salford?
Now the point of D of F as a pointless role, even after 4 years if you can't grasp the point of that, you are beyond help. The academy is in good shape, there is a decent structure in place, the training ground I believe is the envy of many L2 clubs & all that leaves KJ to concentrate on team matters.
Now the point of signing injury prone players. Before this season Paul Smyth had made around 160 appearances & Callum Reilly over 200, both of them higher than L2. You don't have to search far on them as it's all on that transfermarket website. Would that suggest they are injury prone, although
admittedly it has been frustrating not to see them.

Was replying to Wumble's previous post that we can't afford to have a full squad. Been quiet because I chucked my ST in this season and had other things to do on Saturdays with the time saved travelling to the ground, clearly someone misses the match day live posts

Fact is we bought our way out as much as Salford did, the other NL clubs used to say as much about our budget compared to the rest of the league. Can't see why you think that's a problem though, if you have the funds then use it to your advantage. Travis didn't do all that work bringing in investment for the fun of it.

The DoF is still a pointless role imo, amazing how people give Ling the credit for JE's work getting us out of NL and if we get to L1 it'll somehow be the DoF will try take that too. Manages to sidestep all his failures though, people have short memories.

As for the academy as I've said in the past still think it's a waste of resource at our level and would rather see more Mitchells coming in on loan to fill those gaps in the squad and spending the difference on first team pros instead. I know that rattles a lot of cages as it's not "the Orient way" though.

Re: Reilly was he not injured when he signed? Dale Gorman all over again.

If you think that constitutes a meltdown I'd suggest setting your trigger level a bit higher

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:41 pm Still laugh when people remind me we paid a fee for Ling.

The whole academy argument is a valid one and something the club owners have recently considered.

essexfootball wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:17 pm Crawley did there homework, they new James and Theo are the two dangerous with real quality, they blocked both of them off, stuck a big man on Smith nullified him and that was job done really, apart from them three, Theo and James for the service, nobody else is really going to do anything. Kemp is a tidy footballer, probably great at 5-aside but offers no penetration whatsoever, Ogie was the horrendous second half, why Wood didn't come on instead of Happe in the first instance was bonkers. What it needed was a plan b and tactical switch as Crawley knew what Orient were going to do before they did it. block Theo and James, Orient will go long to Smith and there big defender petty much killed him off.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:59 pm Not that it mattered yesterday, we could've played all night and not created anything, but it had to have been some of the most egregious timewasting I've ever seen. I don't understand how referees have not figured out a better to manage the problem. You see it in most games taken to such a piss take extent. Every touch on a Crawley player resulted in a mysterious injury that was subsequently shaken off within 5 seconds of reaching the touchline.

Of course we do it and I expect us to do it, but it's such an obvious bit of cheating that needs to be scrubbed out of the game. It really sours matches, particularly in lower leagues which, I guess cause it's less technical, are more vulnerable to games falling apart due to loss of momentum.

Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:09 am

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:59 pm Not that it mattered yesterday, we could've played all night and not created anything, but it had to have been some of the most egregious timewasting I've ever seen. I don't understand how referees have not figured out a better to manage the problem. You see it in most games taken to such a piss take extent. Every touch on a Crawley player resulted in a mysterious injury that was subsequently shaken off within 5 seconds of reaching the touchline.

Of course we do it and I expect us to do it, but it's such an obvious bit of cheating that needs to be scrubbed out of the game. It really sours matches, particularly in lower leagues which, I guess cause it's less technical, are more vulnerable to games falling apart due to loss of momentum.

Statistics show that on average, the ball is in play for just under sixty minutes, of a ninety minute match. Whilst radical, I would change the professional game the game to 60 minutes IN PLAY, with a clock stopping when the ball is not in play. Time wasting and feigning injury would then be completely pointless. We would see the the same amount of football and probably get home earlier. Of course while in my opinion a good idea, it will never happen.