Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Clive Evans wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:14 am PW has fallen victim to the propaganda. Yes the Public are to blame for the shortages of petrol and just about anything else. But the blame is not due to panic buying. It is due to voting ( by a narrow margin ) to leave the EU and voting for Boris and his band of crooks and shysters. The Govt wasn't prepared for all our shortcomings when we left the EU. The snivelling greedy employers, refuse to pay sensible wages. The manufacturers and producers milk this situation to hike their prices. Oh, how they must rub their hands in glee at the stupidity and gullibility of voters

Agree with the stupid public panic buying but disagree with EU part. As for the govt, yes they haven't acted as they should have done but also the greedy employers should have been more prepared to take on British workers at a decent wage and conditions and not overfill their own pockets by employing slave labour from eastern Europe. Also the British people, especially the young, should be prepared to work instead of flouting themselves on You Tube and the like. There is too much easy money to be earned on those type of media.
I also blame the press for creating these situations by reporting things in such a sensationalistic way and being the cause of the panic buying problem.

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:34 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:31 am

Jack wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:12 am

You've got a thing about older people havent you?
Do you not think youre OP was a tad racist too?

Just relaying what I've seen. Have you been down the petrol station lately?

No - not panic buying like you!

Havent even got a car

So what attracts you to hanging around garage forecourts then?

StillSpike wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:39 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:30 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:10 pm If you're blaming ordinary people who are simply trying their best to be able to get on with their lives and provide for their families for any shortages of supply, then you're blaming the wrong people.

If you're blaming those people through the medium of Social Media, or comment sections, or phone ins - then you're directly helping to amplify the messages that set people off worrying that they'll not be able to get on with their lives and provide for their families unless they go out and stock up.

ordinary people who are simply trying their best to be able to get on with their lives and provide for their families?

Imagine, if you can, how worried about having enough petrol that bloke is. He's turning his car into a rolling molotov cocktail, for f*** sake! What do you think he's doing it for ? fun? Do you think he's planning on selling it, somehow?

You don't know his circumstances at all do you? - maybe he's in the gig economy as a driver, and he's terrified he's not going to be able to work for the coming week.

Well thats what I was asking in my OP. I honestly do feel for people who rely on a vehicle to work. I doubt everyone in the queue does though and if some of these extras were not buying petrol they dont need, perhaps there would be enough to go around?

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:42 pm So what attracts you to hanging around garage forecourts then?

Eh?

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:05 am Who are these people and what is wrong with them?

All the pictures I've seen on social media at the pumps are middle aged and old white men. Shelves a bit bare in the supermarkets, so I guess they've struck there too.

What do they think is going to happen exactly?

When I went to fill up today I joined on to a short queue and ten minutes later I left with a full tank and I was the only old on site. All the pumps were occupied. Also those pictures are snapshots which are normally taken by young people and are not an overall picture, so like the press you make a sensationalitic and unwise comment.

it has occurred to me that it could all be fake news, yes.

I did go to the supermarket last night and the only bread left was kingsmill 50/50 though

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:58 pm it has occurred to me that it could all be fake news, yes.

I did go to the supermarket last night and the only bread left was kingsmill 50/50 though

That's probably because it was the most expensive and all the other bread was cheaper.

Yes it is fake news because we are not short of petrol just short of people to get it there due to greedy employers taking on cheap slave labour in the past.

No it was quite cheap, the bread baskets were empty besides that one and one or two other niche options.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:14 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:43 pm Well, the Chairman of the Petrol Retailers Association has said it's down to "panic buying, pure and simple". And given this was sparked by 1% of BP forecourts closing...

It's been an entertaining experiment in human behaviour if nothing else

https://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/cars ... ns-3397874


So its nothing to do with hardly any petrol being bought between March 2019 & May 2021 ,
Millions of Gallons of Petrol about to expire , what a terrible waste of money that would be

Especially on such a profitable commodity as it is .

What do we do to make sure we SELL IT ?

I would have thought the petrol companies would have cut back on production during lockdown, they are not silly

Story of O wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:24 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:14 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:43 pm Well, the Chairman of the Petrol Retailers Association has said it's down to "panic buying, pure and simple". And given this was sparked by 1% of BP forecourts closing...

It's been an entertaining experiment in human behaviour if nothing else

https://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/cars ... ns-3397874


So its nothing to do with hardly any petrol being bought between March 2019 & May 2021 ,
Millions of Gallons of Petrol about to expire , what a terrible waste of money that would be

Especially on such a profitable commodity as it is .

What do we do to make sure we SELL IT ?

I would have thought the petrol companies would have cut back on production during lockdown, they are not silly

What about the one up near Chester that owes the tax man £223M and is about to go under.

Story of O wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:24 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:14 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:43 pm Well, the Chairman of the Petrol Retailers Association has said it's down to "panic buying, pure and simple". And given this was sparked by 1% of BP forecourts closing...

It's been an entertaining experiment in human behaviour if nothing else

https://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/cars ... ns-3397874


So its nothing to do with hardly any petrol being bought between March 2019 & May 2021 ,
Millions of Gallons of Petrol about to expire , what a terrible waste of money that would be

Especially on such a profitable commodity as it is .

What do we do to make sure we SELL IT ?

I would have thought the petrol companies would have cut back on production during lockdown, they are not silly

Regardless of cutting down
there was still all the barrels that were produced to get rid of.

Haulage doesnt use it all .

Keep it to yourselves, guys, but there's no queue at Morrison's PFS in Kirkcaldy. But they've got no diesel at the moment.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:53 pm

Story of O wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:24 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:14 pm

https://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/cars ... ns-3397874


So its nothing to do with hardly any petrol being bought between March 2019 & May 2021 ,
Millions of Gallons of Petrol about to expire , what a terrible waste of money that would be

Especially on such a profitable commodity as it is .

What do we do to make sure we SELL IT ?

I would have thought the petrol companies would have cut back on production during lockdown, they are not silly

Regardless of cutting down
there was still all the barrels that were produced to get rid of.

Haulage doesnt use it all .

That may have applied last year, but once the excess had gone they would have produced only what was needed at the time

“Petrol stations cannot sell ordinary unleaded in one months time. They have until the end of October to switch to E10. This is why the leak of the fake fuel shortage happened after a secret chat with the top brass at BP. They just needed to empty their tanks. You’ve all been taken in”

^ I love a good Tin Foil Hat conspiracy theory

Not too many fuel (or other) shortages noticeable down in West Wales, though the numpty panickers have been out here too.

Story of O wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:06 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:53 pm

Story of O wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:24 pm

I would have thought the petrol companies would have cut back on production during lockdown, they are not silly

Regardless of cutting down
there was still all the barrels that were produced to get rid of.

Haulage doesnt use it all .

That may have applied last year, but once the excess had gone they would have produced only what was needed at the time

Global oil production amounted to 88.4 million barrels per day in 2020. The level of oil production reached an all-time high in 2019, at around 95 million barrels. However, the coronavirus pandemic and its impact on transportation fuel demand led to a notable decline in 2020. This quantity includes crude oil, shale oil, oil sands and NGLs (the liquid content of natural gas, where this is recovered separately), but not liquid fuels from biomass and coal derivatives.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/265 ... s-per-day/

You really think that they cut it massively ?

A noteable decline but not massively .
10 million barrels a day is not massively

40 million would be massively

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:58 pm it has occurred to me that it could all be fake news, yes.

I did go to the supermarket last night and the only bread left was kingsmill 50/50 though

Weekly shop done tonight and yep, it’s starting to happen in the supermarkets too - lots and lots of gaps in the shelves.

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:42 pm So what attracts you to hanging around garage forecourts then?

He picks up people's unwanted receipts so he can buy travel mugs & key ring torches for £1.99

O my gawd wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:27 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:42 pm So what attracts you to hanging around garage forecourts then?

He picks up people's unwanted receipts so he can buy travel mugs & key ring torches for £1.99

We need to start this as a Thread title for Bonios original Comment &
OMG's response is obviously the 1st reply .

Make it have Nothing to do with the current situation .
Just the Randomness of a comment & see where it leads .

It could turn into a mini-series for Netflix

PutneyO wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:13 pm “Petrol stations cannot sell ordinary unleaded in one months time. They have until the end of October to switch to E10. This is why the leak of the fake fuel shortage happened after a secret chat with the top brass at BP. They just needed to empty their tanks. You’ve all been taken in”

The Petrol Retailers Association has confirmed that “E5 will still be available in five years time, but only as the protection grade in 'super'. It will be reviewed in five years time.”


Some small facilities will stop E5 due to the lack of storage tanks, I suspect. BP will stop E5 at about 20% of its sites.

Such closures will be indicative of the situation when fuels generally are withdrawn in 2030++

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:54 am

O my gawd wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:27 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:42 pm So what attracts you to hanging around garage forecourts then?

He picks up people's unwanted receipts so he can buy travel mugs & key ring torches for £1.99

We need to start this as a Thread title for Bonios original Comment &
OMG's response is obviously the 1st reply .

Make it have Nothing to do with the current situation .
Just the Randomness of a comment & see where it leads .

It could turn into a mini-series for Netflix

You've obviously never seen the deals some stations do then if you buy so many litres of fuel then

Just-in-time supply chains are a brilliant and efficient method of distribution when everything is running smoothly. If only we had been able to predict that things may not run smoothly during a pandemic and brexit, and been able to put risk mitigation measures in place.

Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:06 am Just-in-time supply chains are a brilliant and efficient method of distribution when everything is running smoothly. If only we had been able to predict that things may not run smoothly during a pandemic and brexit, and been able to put risk mitigation measures in place.

Is that criticism of our Government? Steady!

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:00 am

Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:06 am Just-in-time supply chains are a brilliant and efficient method of distribution when everything is running smoothly. If only we had been able to predict that things may not run smoothly during a pandemic and brexit, and been able to put risk mitigation measures in place.

Is that criticism of our Government? Steady!

It is. The Government failed to tell these industries they need to plan ahead.