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Re: Energy prices
"The cheapest tariffs available today are 40% more than the cheapest tariffs available a year ago."
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Re: Energy prices
But that's the point. They're not "suppliers" are they, really? They're billing companies. The so-called energy market isn't a real market - the energy is generated, fed into a universal network through which it's piped to the consumer. These companies don't run gas pipes and electricity cables to their customers.Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:11 pm It's certainly starting to look a bit messy.
We could go from having about 50 energy suppliers as of March, to less than ten in a month or two. This is what I heard on the wireless this morning, so am assuming it's an alarmist worst case scenario. But still, to be even contemplating that prospect...
It's just a fake "market" that's been crowbarred into the energy supply system. I'd nationalise the whole lot of it and then the government would be supplier, distributor and biller and could easily protect the consumer from these price rises.
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Re: Energy prices
Well, yeah, there is that. But don't these companies also act as wholesale purchasers, or is that all largely centralised too?StillSpike wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:28 pmBut that's the point. They're not "suppliers" are they, really? They're billing companies. The so-called energy market isn't a real market - the energy is generated, fed into a universal network through which it's piped to the consumer. These companies don't run gas pipes and electricity cables to their customers.Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:11 pm It's certainly starting to look a bit messy.
We could go from having about 50 energy suppliers as of March, to less than ten in a month or two. This is what I heard on the wireless this morning, so am assuming it's an alarmist worst case scenario. But still, to be even contemplating that prospect...
It's just a fake "market" that's been crowbarred into the energy supply system. I'd nationalise the whole lot of it and then the government would be supplier, distributor and biller and could easily protect the consumer from these price rises.
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Re: Energy prices
COMMIE ALERT COMMIE ALERT!StillSpike wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:28 pmBut that's the point. They're not "suppliers" are they, really? They're billing companies. The so-called energy market isn't a real market - the energy is generated, fed into a universal network through which it's piped to the consumer. These companies don't run gas pipes and electricity cables to their customers.Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:11 pm It's certainly starting to look a bit messy.
We could go from having about 50 energy suppliers as of March, to less than ten in a month or two. This is what I heard on the wireless this morning, so am assuming it's an alarmist worst case scenario. But still, to be even contemplating that prospect...
It's just a fake "market" that's been crowbarred into the energy supply system. I'd nationalise the whole lot of it and then the government would be supplier, distributor and biller and could easily protect the consumer from these price rises.
Pretty sure we already tried that and it didn’t work.
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Re: Energy prices
There’s literally no way The Government would be able to run all this ourselves.
We need these well run commercial energy companies such as edf to sort it out properly.
We need these well run commercial energy companies such as edf to sort it out properly.
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Re: Energy prices
It's not a question of whether a government could run this. It's whether our government could.Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:48 pm There’s literally no way The Government would be able to run all this ourselves.
We need these well run commercial energy companies such as edf to sort it out properly.
But at least I get to enjoy cheaper energy prices for my gaff in France thanks to EDF's domestic tariffs being subsidised by their profits made in overseas markets.
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Re: Energy prices
It's because we left the IEM when we Brexited.Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:37 pmWell, yeah, there is that. But don't these companies also act as wholesale purchasers, or is that all largely centralised too?StillSpike wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:28 pmBut that's the point. They're not "suppliers" are they, really? They're billing companies. The so-called energy market isn't a real market - the energy is generated, fed into a universal network through which it's piped to the consumer. These companies don't run gas pipes and electricity cables to their customers.Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:11 pm It's certainly starting to look a bit messy.
We could go from having about 50 energy suppliers as of March, to less than ten in a month or two. This is what I heard on the wireless this morning, so am assuming it's an alarmist worst case scenario. But still, to be even contemplating that prospect...
It's just a fake "market" that's been crowbarred into the energy supply system. I'd nationalise the whole lot of it and then the government would be supplier, distributor and biller and could easily protect the consumer from these price rises.
https://bylinetimes.com/2021/09/20/the- ... gy-prices/
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Re: Energy prices
Th*tchers vision of competition.StillSpike wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:28 pmBut that's the point. They're not "suppliers" are they, really? They're billing companies. The so-called energy market isn't a real market - the energy is generated, fed into a universal network through which it's piped to the consumer. These companies don't run gas pipes and electricity cables to their customers.Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:11 pm It's certainly starting to look a bit messy.
We could go from having about 50 energy suppliers as of March, to less than ten in a month or two. This is what I heard on the wireless this morning, so am assuming it's an alarmist worst case scenario. But still, to be even contemplating that prospect...
It's just a fake "market" that's been crowbarred into the energy supply system. I'd nationalise the whole lot of it and then the government would be supplier, distributor and biller and could easily protect the consumer from these price rises.
Meh
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Yep - but it's just the illusion of competition - a fake "market" to make it seem that you get your energy from one of a number of suppliers - when in reality it's generated and distributed by the same system, regardless on the Company name that appears on your bill. It's f*cking ludicrous, to be honest - imagine how much money, time and effort is involved splitting up the revenues and the costs *Plus, of course, the profits that are stripped out of the process - all that resource would be better spent providing the service to the consumer. Yet we're supposed to believe the "Public bad - Private good" mantra.tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:13 pmTh*tchers vision of competition.StillSpike wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:28 pmBut that's the point. They're not "suppliers" are they, really? They're billing companies. The so-called energy market isn't a real market - the energy is generated, fed into a universal network through which it's piped to the consumer. These companies don't run gas pipes and electricity cables to their customers.Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:11 pm It's certainly starting to look a bit messy.
We could go from having about 50 energy suppliers as of March, to less than ten in a month or two. This is what I heard on the wireless this morning, so am assuming it's an alarmist worst case scenario. But still, to be even contemplating that prospect...
It's just a fake "market" that's been crowbarred into the energy supply system. I'd nationalise the whole lot of it and then the government would be supplier, distributor and biller and could easily protect the consumer from these price rises.
Meh
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Re: Energy prices
FFS. So this is yet another thing the poor get to thank Brexiteers, like Hotdogs, for?Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:12 pmIt's because we left the IEM when we Brexited.Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:37 pmWell, yeah, there is that. But don't these companies also act as wholesale purchasers, or is that all largely centralised too?StillSpike wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:28 pm
But that's the point. They're not "suppliers" are they, really? They're billing companies. The so-called energy market isn't a real market - the energy is generated, fed into a universal network through which it's piped to the consumer. These companies don't run gas pipes and electricity cables to their customers.
It's just a fake "market" that's been crowbarred into the energy supply system. I'd nationalise the whole lot of it and then the government would be supplier, distributor and biller and could easily protect the consumer from these price rises.
https://bylinetimes.com/2021/09/20/the- ... gy-prices/
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Re: Energy prices
One buyer with market clout.Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:02 pm How would that help with a rise in wholesale prices?
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Capitalist markets fail. The solution? Yes you've guessed it socialism for the rich with us the taxpayer picking up the tab. The Taxpayers Alliance will go mentalist bonkers.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -customers
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -customers
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So Th@tcher wasnt interested in a FREE marketStillSpike wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:22 pmYep - but it's just the illusion of competition - a fake "market" to make it seem that you get your energy from one of a number of suppliers - when in reality it's generated and distributed by the same system, regardless on the Company name that appears on your bill. It's f*cking ludicrous, to be honest - imagine how much money, time and effort is involved splitting up the revenues and the costs *Plus, of course, the profits that are stripped out of the process - all that resource would be better spent providing the service to the consumer. Yet we're supposed to believe the "Public bad - Private good" mantra.tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:13 pmTh*tchers vision of competition.StillSpike wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:28 pm
But that's the point. They're not "suppliers" are they, really? They're billing companies. The so-called energy market isn't a real market - the energy is generated, fed into a universal network through which it's piped to the consumer. These companies don't run gas pipes and electricity cables to their customers.
It's just a fake "market" that's been crowbarred into the energy supply system. I'd nationalise the whole lot of it and then the government would be supplier, distributor and biller and could easily protect the consumer from these price rises.
Meh
Just creating the illusion of one ?
Typical Fugging Tories !
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Cant wait to see the next vote polling intentionsMax B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:47 pm Capitalist markets fail. The solution? Yes you've guessed it socialism for the rich with us the taxpayer picking up the tab. The Taxpayers Alliance will go mentalist bonkers.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -customers
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She liked the single market that EU membership provided. But sadly her Tory pals betrayed her and now it's just a long lost memory.tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:54 pmSo Th@tcher wasnt interested in a FREE marketStillSpike wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:22 pmYep - but it's just the illusion of competition - a fake "market" to make it seem that you get your energy from one of a number of suppliers - when in reality it's generated and distributed by the same system, regardless on the Company name that appears on your bill. It's f*cking ludicrous, to be honest - imagine how much money, time and effort is involved splitting up the revenues and the costs *Plus, of course, the profits that are stripped out of the process - all that resource would be better spent providing the service to the consumer. Yet we're supposed to believe the "Public bad - Private good" mantra.
Just creating the illusion of one ?
Typical Fugging Tories !
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Keith will be 30 points ahead.tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:04 pmCant wait to see the next vote polling intentionsMax B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:47 pm Capitalist markets fail. The solution? Yes you've guessed it socialism for the rich with us the taxpayer picking up the tab. The Taxpayers Alliance will go mentalist bonkers.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -customers
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And he hadls done nothing ?Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:06 pmKeith will be 30 points ahead.tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:04 pmCant wait to see the next vote polling intentionsMax B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:47 pm Capitalist markets fail. The solution? Yes you've guessed it socialism for the rich with us the taxpayer picking up the tab. The Taxpayers Alliance will go mentalist bonkers.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -customers
Blimey He's a clever chap isn't he
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Mibees NawMax B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:06 pmKeith will be 30 points ahead.tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:04 pmCant wait to see the next vote polling intentionsMax B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:47 pm Capitalist markets fail. The solution? Yes you've guessed it socialism for the rich with us the taxpayer picking up the tab. The Taxpayers Alliance will go mentalist bonkers.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -customers
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