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Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:13 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 1:53 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 1:38 pm

That, and his glaring lack of technical ability and positional sense.

Because he’s covering for his sh*t team mates

Yeah you’re right, that’s why he can’t trap or pass a ball.

He clearly can, you’re being too harsh

Two year contract.
Really

Craig Clay has played 83 games for the O's since his transfer from Motherwell FC and in all those games he has scored just one goal.
Not a very good return on investment is it?

Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:37 pm Craig Clay has played 83 games for the O's since his transfer from Motherwell FC and in all those games he has scored just one goal.
Not a very good return on investment is it?

Non league material.

Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:37 pm Craig Clay has played 83 games for the O's since his transfer from Motherwell FC and in all those games he has scored just one goal.
Not a very good return on investment is it?

Was he bought to score goals?

The criticism of Clay on this board is nothing short of DISGUSTING. Hang your heads in SHAME

Sam Ling has gone so they need another scapegoat, what a lovely bunch they are

You know you are allowed to discuss the merits of various players on this two-bob message board. It's kind of the point.

Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:37 pm Craig Clay has played 83 games for the O's since his transfer from Motherwell FC and in all those games he has scored just one goal.
Not a very good return on investment is it?

According to Wikipedia he's played 152 games for us and scored 5 goals.

It appears to me that most successful teams have a midfield that weighs in with a decent number of goals. We haven't had that for a while, and CC seems unlikely to discover his shooting boots, but we can hope I guess.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:26 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:13 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 1:53 pm
Because he’s covering for his sh*t team mates

Yeah you’re right, that’s why he can’t trap or pass a ball.

He clearly can, you’re being too harsh

Oh come on.

His only real attribute is running around a lot. When played further forward, he does have some success pressuring players into mistakes and winning the ball back.

But that’s it.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:46 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:26 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:13 pm

Yeah you’re right, that’s why he can’t trap or pass a ball.

He clearly can, you’re being too harsh

Oh come on.

His only real attribute is running around a lot. When played further forward, he does have some success pressuring players into mistakes and winning the ball back.

But that’s it.

I used to think the same about Ji Sung Park, but looking back, I underrated him

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:49 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:46 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:26 pm
He clearly can, you’re being too harsh

Oh come on.

His only real attribute is running around a lot. When played further forward, he does have some success pressuring players into mistakes and winning the ball back.

But that’s it.

I used to think the same about Ji Sung Park, but looking back, I underrated him

Which conclusively proves you do not have an eye for a player.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:03 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:49 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:46 pm

Oh come on.

His only real attribute is running around a lot. When played further forward, he does have some success pressuring players into mistakes and winning the ball back.

But that’s it.

I used to think the same about Ji Sung Park, but looking back, I underrated him

Which conclusively proves you do not have an eye for a player.

The same Ji Sung Park that played a pivotal squad role in winning league titles and the European Cup. The same man that was one of Sir Alex Ferguson’s most underrated players. I think his opinion is a bit more worthy than yours

Clay is a decent player, but in IMO not good enough for a team chasing promotion next season.

Really surprised we've not only extended but on a long contract too. Can't fault the effort levels but he came off distinctly second best against the top half CMs.

Perhaps there's a role as a squad player providing cover and fresh legs off the bench but we need to improve on our current midfield to have any chance of reaching our ambitions.

EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:25 pm

Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:37 pm Craig Clay has played 83 games for the O's since his transfer from Motherwell FC and in all those games he has scored just one goal.
Not a very good return on investment is it?

According to Wikipedia he's played 152 games for us and scored 5 goals.

If that is so, then those stats are a lot worse. As a midfielder, holding or otherwise, he should be scoring more than 5 in a 152 games.

I’m a amazed he’s got that many. Are they including training?

I like Craig Clay, and think some of the comments are really harsh.

His work rate is very good, and the only fault i can find is, his goalscoring isnt great for a midfielder.

Im glad he's been given another contract

LittleMate wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:03 pm

Scuba Diver wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:53 pm I think Clay is okay.
Sure, he makes mistakes, but does a lot of the dirty stuff, and his attitude is unquestionable.

No idea if his terms have been reduced, but, I think he may do well under an experienced manager.

If a side had 10 Craig Clays the football may not be pretty but that side would be in league one right now.

How? That side would never score a goal!

OK with this. Let's see what Kenny can do with Clay to help him regain his top form. At his best Clay is a good addition to the squad

As l recall, Craig was Mr Creative the playmaker midfielder for Motherwell, he had a reputation of being a tad "mercurial" and was required to show he had the grafter side of his game, especially
when Jobi was the king of the middle. l reckon Clay still has the skills, he just hasn't had the chance to show it . Fingers crossed, he'll come good.

I agree with Milano.

He'll come good with KJ

Guys, you’ve had 4 years to realise he can’t pass. Come on now.

I’m surprised that he’s been given TWO years and wonder if KJ had any say in that.
I think his work rate is his strong point but really there isn’t too much else I’m afraid, but I hope I and others on here are proved wrong and KJ can improve him as a player.
Really feel we need better quality in CM though if we gonna chase a top 3 spot.