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Posted: **Mon May 17, 2021 9:08 pm**

We will find out soon as time will tell

Posted: **Mon May 17, 2021 10:14 pm**

Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 8:26 pm
ContrifibulatoryFred wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 8:13 pm Once again when presented with the opportunity to have a Rolls Royce (Jackett) the club will somehow opt for another Trabant (Calderwood)
With a Rolls Royce package with no warranty.
Managing in L2 is a young mans game.
Almost 100% of promoted teams over the last 20 years have been managed by men under 45 and in their first job.
Can’t imagine Jackett fancies a Tuesday night in Carlisle or Exeter.
If they appoint Jackett, it could be their most expensive mistake yet.
Should have appointed Jobi with Slade as mentor.

Calderwood is 56, jackett is 59

Posted: **Mon May 17, 2021 10:33 pm**

Adz wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 10:14 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 8:26 pm
ContrifibulatoryFred wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 8:13 pm Once again when presented with the opportunity to have a Rolls Royce (Jackett) the club will somehow opt for another Trabant (Calderwood)
With a Rolls Royce package with no warranty.
Managing in L2 is a young mans game.
Almost 100% of promoted teams over the last 20 years have been managed by men under 45 and in their first job.
Can’t imagine Jackett fancies a Tuesday night in Carlisle or Exeter.
If they appoint Jackett, it could be their most expensive mistake yet.
Should have appointed Jobi with Slade as mentor.
Calderwood is 56, jackett is 59

Correct,
That is why they should have appointed Jobl with Slade instead of getting themselves in a almighty mess trying to get the Hugely expensive Jackett.

Posted: **Mon May 17, 2021 11:01 pm**

Anthem of Hope wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 10:24 pm
Adz wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 10:14 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 8:26 pm

With a Rolls Royce package with no warranty.
Managing in L2 is a young mans game.
Almost 100% of promoted teams over the last 20 years have been managed by men under 45 and in their first job.
Can’t imagine Jackett fancies a Tuesday night in Carlisle or Exeter.
If they appoint Jackett, it could be their most expensive mistake yet.
Should have appointed Jobi with Slade as mentor.
Calderwood is 56, jackett is 59
Yeah Jobi and Slade I am convinced would of been a good combination

A younger Ross was a "brilliant coach who was coaching 22 years " according to Martin

Logic on choosing this new manager exceeds all our imaginations as the KPI are being evaluated by a group of people that are being led by one person with real football knowledge Martin Ling and he is not in a winning run atm with football managers - hopefully this decision proves OK by the end of next season

All other directors know as much as us or less on football like most clubs it's only money that even gives them a voice

Better than Jobi & Ling ?

2005-6 League 2 season
Martin Ling LOFC 3rd promoted
Russell Slade GTFC 4th lost in play off final .

Oopsy

Posted: **Tue May 18, 2021 12:25 am**

When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea

Posted: **Tue May 18, 2021 12:52 am**

Anthem of Hope wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 11:20 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 11:01 pm
Anthem of Hope wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 10:24 pm

Yeah Jobi and Slade I am convinced would of been a good combination

A younger Ross was a "brilliant coach who was coaching 22 years " according to Martin

Logic on choosing this new manager exceeds all our imaginations as the KPI are being evaluated by a group of people that are being led by one person with real football knowledge Martin Ling and he is not in a winning run atm with football managers - hopefully this decision proves OK by the end of next season

All other directors know as much as us or less on football like most clubs it's only money that even gives them a voice
Better than Jobi & Ling ?

2005-6 League 2 season
Martin Ling LOFC 3rd promoted
Russell Slade GTFC 4th lost in play off final .

Oopsy
Ling stays as DOF - he has repeatly said he nothing to do with first team tactics and selection

Jobi and Slade combined as manager / coach - assistant / whatever u want to call the mix /
They both inform Ling what type of player or name them they want to play the tactics they want and run the first team plain and simple

Slade not up to it anymore .

Jobi should have been allowed the Gig but the petulant fans amongst us
threatened ST refusals & he was gone .

Posted: **Tue May 18, 2021 1:45 am**

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 12:52 am
Anthem of Hope wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 11:20 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 11:01 pm

Better than Jobi & Ling ?

2005-6 League 2 season
Martin Ling LOFC 3rd promoted
Russell Slade GTFC 4th lost in play off final .

Oopsy
Ling stays as DOF - he has repeatly said he nothing to do with first team tactics and selection

Jobi and Slade combined as manager / coach - assistant / whatever u want to call the mix /
They both inform Ling what type of player or name them they want to play the tactics they want and run the first team plain and simple
Slade not up to it anymore .

Jobi should have been allowed the Gig but the petulant fans amongst us
threatened ST refusals & he was gone .

Posted: **Tue May 18, 2021 1:47 am**

KVN wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:45 am
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 12:52 am
Anthem of Hope wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 11:20 pm

Ling stays as DOF - he has repeatly said he nothing to do with first team tactics and selection

Jobi and Slade combined as manager / coach - assistant / whatever u want to call the mix /
They both inform Ling what type of player or name them they want to play the tactics they want and run the first team plain and simple
Slade not up to it anymore .

Jobi should have been allowed the Gig but the petulant fans amongst us
threatened ST refusals & he was gone .

Posted: **Tue May 18, 2021 1:52 am**

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:47 am
KVN wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:45 am
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 12:52 am

Slade not up to it anymore .

Jobi should have been allowed the Gig but the petulant fans amongst us
threatened ST refusals & he was gone .

Posted: **Tue May 18, 2021 2:08 am**

KVN wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:52 am
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:47 am
KVN wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:45 am

Now you are acting like a spoilt 4 year old .

Posted: **Tue May 18, 2021 5:04 am**

Jobi please - really can’t get excited with the rest.

Posted: **Tue May 18, 2021 6:36 am**

Anthem of Hope wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 9:06 pm Matt Porter mentions the club will be talking to the prospective managers agents as part of the recruitment process

That may be the case but one asks why would a manager need a agent

Cannot the managers under consideration just discuss their employment details direct - my god this is a football club on limited financials recruiting a manager, not actually so delicate that the two parties need to use a agent ( fees and complicating simple dialogue )

I would choose the candidate that has the substance and basic common sense to not use a agent and just speak in a simple transparent way

An agent to represent a person that will be regarded to communicate to the board / players / staff/ media - needs an agent to speak for themselves over a managers job at a community local family club when they would of been historically interviewed looking at their football cv

We have a CEO / DOF - a transfer committee and two USA based owners that spend hours on the phone in their own admission. I know the British love meetings and the Americans love titles in companies but hey other clubs of this size go about their obligations to run a club in a less overblown way a less dramatic way with less non playing staff and wages - and I am sure don't blow money on agents fees on seeking a manager

Agents have been around for years in many industries. They are the one who keep their ear to the ground, know what’s going on, know what salary levels are and can do much of the donkey work. They have a place. Travel Agents, Estate Agents, Theatrical Agents and so on. Footballers definitely need agents. So why not managers.

Because A manager had an Agent, don’t mean he doesn’t negotiate personally with the Board, just means he has access to the wider picture and knowledge of other potential opportunities elsewhere.

Posted: **Tue May 18, 2021 10:25 am**

Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 8:57 pm
BIGRON wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 8:34 pm
Legend wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 8:04 pm Calderwood it is and will be announced on Wednesday
This is from a very good source within the club
So we should all lump on our money at the 3/1 that is freely available ?? I'm sure if he was nailed on the people in the know would be lumping on to make an easy few quid
Fill your boots Ron.

Can we get back to you on this one if BIGRON takes your advice and loses a shed load of money.

Posted: **Tue May 18, 2021 11:00 am**

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 10:25 am
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 8:57 pm
BIGRON wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 8:34 pm

So we should all lump on our money at the 3/1 that is freely available ?? I'm sure if he was nailed on the people in the know would be lumping on to make an easy few quid
Fill your boots Ron.
Can we get back to you on this one if BIGRON takes your advice and loses a shed load of money.

I already had a tenner on it and just had another 20 , so it won't be a disaster if I lose , I will still be looking for Still wrong though

Posted: **Tue May 18, 2021 11:14 am**

BIGRON wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 11:00 am
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 10:25 am
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 8:57 pm

Fill your boots Ron.
Can we get back to you on this one if BIGRON takes your advice and loses a shed load of money.
I already had a tenner on it and just had another 20 , so it won't be a disaster if I lose , I will still be looking for Still wrong though

Posted: **Tue May 18, 2021 11:21 am**

Tomorrow the sky is going to fall on our heads.

Posted: **Tue May 18, 2021 11:32 am**

Tisdale is evens favourite for the Swindon job

Posted: **Tue May 18, 2021 11:38 am**

Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 8:26 pm
ContrifibulatoryFred wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 8:13 pm Once again when presented with the opportunity to have a Rolls Royce (Jackett) the club will somehow opt for another Trabant (Calderwood)
Almost 100% of promoted teams over the last 20 years have been managed by men under 45 and in their first job.

Even allowing for the fact that SW is a wind up merchant, some of his nonsense is even more nonsense that his other nonsense! I made the mistake of checking his "100%" assertion from 2000 onwards and gave up when the stats were showing circa 40%. So I decided to just look at the 18/19 and 19/20 season - 25%. Well done, you snookered me into wasting 30 minutes of my life.

Posted: **Tue May 18, 2021 12:37 pm**

Bristol's not that near to Exeter - unless you think being over 100 miles away is 'near'

Posted: **Tue May 18, 2021 12:46 pm**

Ling and Calderwood are firm friends. This is well known.

If Calderwood is appointed there will ALWAYS be a lingering doubt that he's got the job because of that and not because of his record. It's barely any different from the Sam Ling situation. If Nigel and Kent allow it I really will wonder about their judgement.

Posted: **Tue May 18, 2021 12:52 pm**

o-no wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 12:46 pm Ling and Calderwood are firm friends. This is well known.

If Calderwood is appointed there will ALWAYS be a lingering doubt that he's got the job because of that and not because of his record. It's barely any different from the Sam Ling situation. If Nigel and Kent allow it I really will wonder about their judgement.

You are absolutely right, I don’t think our owners are stupid enough to be duped by Ling and allow Calderwood to be appointed.
It would give Nigel and Kent very little credibility to be duped again by appointing one of Lings old mates.

Posted: **Tue May 18, 2021 2:39 pm**

Anthem of Hope wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:00 pm
o-no wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 12:37 pm Bristol's not that near to Exeter - unless you think being over 100 miles away is 'near'
I live in Australia - to me it's "near" - particularly as it in that region of uk to be classified as "near" football wise

I can relate to that. My son lives in Perth WA. We have exactly the same conversation when talking about distance. A local gig for him could be over a 150 mile round trip. Nothing to him. The longer ones are a two day drive each way, with a sleep over en-route. Sometimes a flight.

I’ve done a lot of driving in Australia. Massive continent. A whole different focus on distance. England would get lost if plonked into Oz.

Was in Melbourne once. Said to the wife, let’s pop to Sydney. Looks close on the map! I never made that mistake again!!!

Posted: **Tue May 18, 2021 2:40 pm**

Napoleon/Hitler made the same mistake with Moscow.

Posted: **Tue May 18, 2021 2:41 pm**

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 2:40 pm Napoleon/Hitler made the same mistake with Moscow.

'twas the weather that done for them.

Posted: **Tue May 18, 2021 3:19 pm**

Anthem of Hope wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:00 pm
o-no wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 12:37 pm Bristol's not that near to Exeter - unless you think being over 100 miles away is 'near'
I live in Australia - to me it's "near" - particularly as it in that region of uk to be classified as "near" football wise

I can't argue with that

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