European Super League

[RientO]

I’m inclined to lean to the the let ‘em go and/ or kick ‘em out opinion.

Over here most of football is against it, except some fans of the six, and I’d not offer a prediction what proportion of their fans will be onboard. I’d question if it’ll be quite the commercial success their greedy eyes hope for, not many of us ordinary fans will be paying to watch it and the campaign against it has already started.

Can’t help but wonder that with a closed shop European Super League, there will be a pecking order established, and how much enjoyment it would be for (say) Spurs to always be at the bottom reaches.

If you are referring to the uk fan base it doesn’t matter what proportion want it. Clubs have long since past caring about the 50,000 that turn up week in and out. China and India will lap it up. That’s all that matters.

That’s the point. With a international audience of up to a billion, they don’t need a big stadium. Chelsea decided not to build a new stadium as an extra 20,000 match day fans would make little difference.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

I’ve not seen any of the proposals - would games even be played at normal home grounds?

[RientO]

If they try to go ahead not only will the FA throw them out but so will UEFA they won’t have access to referees and officials for a start, the players will likely be banned from international football. It’s possible that the government might even revoke their licenses to hold matches.

I can’t see this happening give it a week and clubs will be back tracking like there’s no tomorrow.

The best refs will jumps ship too.

Do they need them? Just have it all done by VAR. Already talk of automating offside. Besides they can make their own laws once freed of FIFA. Four quarters, time outs, wider goals...

[RientO]

I’ve not seen any of the proposals - would games even be played at normal home grounds?

At first, but clubs will eventually have alternative international home grounds.

[Snowyash]

How are they going to fit all these proposed matches in? 18 league games, then potentially another 7 games if you are in the play offs. The English clubs will want to opt out of the EFL trophy as an absolute minimum. You can probably add no replays in the FA cup ever again. Add in the international calendar, players will be playing 2 games a week for nearly all of the season. Completely unsustainable on a physical level, let alone an evironmental one with all the travelling.
Don't agree oftet with Gary Neville, but he is right to request points deduction for even suggesting this as if it goes through, this country will be down to 2 professional leagues when all the TV money dries up for an inferior premier league product.

36 league games, teams will play both home and away

[KenleyO]

How are they going to fit all these proposed matches in? 18 league games, then potentially another 7 games if you are in the play offs. The English clubs will want to opt out of the EFL trophy as an absolute minimum. You can probably add no replays in the FA cup ever again. Add in the international calendar, players will be playing 2 games a week for nearly all of the season. Completely unsustainable on a physical level, let alone an evironmental one with all the travelling.
Don't agree oftet with Gary Neville, but he is right to request points deduction for even suggesting this as if it goes through, this country will be down to 2 professional leagues when all the TV money dries up for an inferior premier league product.

36 league games, teams will play both home and away

That is not the case - they have already said that it will be split into 2 leagues of 10 - top 3 in each league straight to quarter finals places 4&5 have play off for final spot.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Does sound tempting, to be fair.

[Snowyash]

So now the leaders of certain clubs have pulled their clubs from the ECA and have resigned their posts. The Juve dude was chairman of the group that represents 200 of the top European clubs. All getting serious now and I love it tbh, best thing since sliced bread (not that I have ever known any different)

[Millennial Snowflake]

Wonder how many of the pundits slagging it off will work on Super League games if this thing goes ahead.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Neville is only pissed off that his plan to pump Salford up into the top echelons with all that dodgy Far East money have now been scuppered.

[Orient Punxx]

I’m inclined to lean to the the let ‘em go and/ or kick ‘em out opinion.

Over here most of football is against it, except some fans of the six, and I’d not offer a prediction what proportion of their fans will be onboard. I’d question if it’ll be quite the commercial success their greedy eyes hope for, not many of us ordinary fans will be paying to watch it and the campaign against it has already started.

Can’t help but wonder that with a closed shop European Super League, there will be a pecking order established, and how much enjoyment it would be for (say) Spurs to always be at the bottom reaches.

If you are referring to the uk fan base it doesn’t matter what proportion want it. Clubs have long since past caring about the 50,000 that turn up week in and out. China and India will lap it up. That’s all that matters.

Why don’t they just move to China/India - surely even more money there!

[PutneyO]

At the end of the day the big six will do exactly what they want and be allowed to continue playing in the Premier League, the FA Cup and the League Cup ..... and their ignorant fans will continue to pay extortionate amounts of money to see them play

[Currywurst and Chips]

State of Sky Sports this morning, worried they're gonna lose their cash cow

Taking the moral high ground after trying to charge £15 for subscribers to watch Burnley

[Constanza]

Think is just fantastic negotiation tactics to prove they could fund it themselves if they want.
Expect Uefa/fifa to cave in and give more money etc to the clubs so they stay within the fold.

[RientO]

Think is just fantastic negotiation tactics to prove they could fund it themselves if they want.
Expect Uefa/fifa to cave in and give more money etc to the clubs so they stay within the fold.

More money and guaranteed places every season. England will want 6 guaranteed slots in Champions League for the big six along with a couple of other merit places (next best placed teams or cup winners). Italy will expect similar as will Germany, Spain and France. Portugal and the Netherlands will get some guaranteed spots as well. As for the other countries, they can have a play off to join the big league.

There may be re-election for the bottom placed clubs, but harking back to the days of division 4, that was a mere formality. Hartlepool were re-elected about a dozen times.

[Mistadobalina]

I do wonder if the snake like way they've done this will be counter productive if renegotiation of terms is the real aim. For the Tories reforming football governance is an easy way of appealing to their new voters in a way that isn't that intrusive economically, uefa appear to be furious - might be a benefit to how football is governed on the cards. They've managed to align fans, football governance and national governments in a way that has been almost impossible to do before. Interesting to see where it leads.

[Orient Punxx]

I do wonder if the snake like way they've done this will be counter productive if renegotiation of terms is the real aim. For the Tories reforming football governance is an easy way of appealing to their new voters in a way that isn't that intrusive economically, uefa appear to be furious - might be a benefit to how football is governed on the cards. They've managed to align fans, football governance and national governments in a way that has been almost impossible to do before. Interesting to see where it leads.

Positive thinking there - hope you are right, as it would be great to give them a kick in the nuts back.

[Chelmsford Swimmer]

My biggest objection, is calling it the Super league, rather than the Rich League. If it replaced the Champions league, next year and the likes of Tottenham and Arsenal were in and Leicester weren't, then it my opinion it would be less of a competition. Not very super when teams are not in it due to merit.

[BiggsyMalone]

There are 2 issues at the moment. Sky have taken the piss with pricing but they don’t have a monopoly on football anymore which is bad for the fans, 3 subscriptions are needed now.

By these clubs not playing in the European cup, it completely devalues it as a tournament, just like the UEFA cup and FA Cup is now. As someone who had a season ticket at one of those clubs for the majority of my life and travelling home and away and over Europe watching them, it’s f*cking disgusting. I’m not against change but you cant rip up 100 odd years of ambition and history in the search for money. f*cking fannies. The lot of them.

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

Neville is only pissed off that his plan to pump Salford up into the top echelons with all that dodgy Far East money have now been scuppered.

I dunno. Are Salford (as well as other local clubs) now well positioned to pick up some new fans?

Apparently lots of angry Spurs fans saying they'll switch to us instead. Will believe it when I see it (all the Holsten shirts at games).

[Stamford O]

I am sure fans of the big 6 will show their displeasure by not attending any more games this season.that'll show em

[New Fan]

Hi am coming waving a white flag for a bit of sanity. I am and have been a chelsea fan for as long as I can remember. Orient has alwayways been what I considered a fall back team for want of a better term. I dont know much about your history but I have followed results and sky sports news and such like. When I was a child I was told by my grandfather that he actually played for you for about a season and half before he left for his national service. He aused to always talk about his short footballing career. His personal highlight was playing against the arses in a FA cup game. I think he said they lost like 5-2 or something but playing that game was one of the proudest moments of his life.
All this rubbish going on with the creation of the ESL has really made me for the first time in my life start doubting my allegiance to chelsea. I dont know of me trying to find something different is a knee jerk reaction. Maybe when I calm down I can go back to Chelsea. But at the moment I am so embarrassed and ashamed and I know that is the feeling of most Chelsea fans at the moment. I have been speaking to people that have been fans for 50/60 years who have just walked away.
Anyway essay over. I just want to know if you guys have space for one more

[RientO]

By these clubs not playing in the European cup, it completely devalues it as a tournament, just like the UEFA cup and FA Cup is now. As someone who had a season ticket at one of those clubs for the majority of my life and travelling home and away and over Europe watching them, it’s f*cking disgusting. I’m not against change but you cant rip up 100 odd years of ambition and history in the search for money. f*cking fannies. The lot of them.

The big clubs have seen fans as cash cows for many years. Final straw for me was when Arsenal started charging £70 for category A games. Decided I would go to Orient more. Hell, I even bought a season ticket! Son supports Chelsea, but that is off limits nowadays because of cost.

[tuffers#1]

Its being discussed on 5 live now ,
They have just had a woman on who i think was a UEFA legal &
The 12 clubs in 3 countries have already been to court to get
Backing for them , to stop the leagues uefa fifa etc slinging clubs out .

They have also jsut mentioned sky would sue.the PL to return money if the 6 clubs were slung out
as there product had been seriously affected .

The fall down for this maybe that the German clubs are unlikely to be involved
due to the 50 + 1 clauses in german football .

Its not sounding good for the Premier League long term .

They dont seem to be bothered if fans pay to go to games as it will only be about
television rights Worldwide .

What a complete f*ck up by the owners of these 12 so called owners .

[RientO]

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