Disgusting Pay offer to NHS

[tuffers#1]

Blimey, you know you’re on a loser when Comical Tuffers call you stupid.

Stalking me againg are we ?

Could you repeat that in English please?

Stalking me againg are we ?

The g is added to a word, its what we in the know like to call wannabe gangstas !!

[tuffers#1]

I’m sorry but working non stop through a shift is what we should all do. They are paid well , they do a great job , but I would prefer another way of rewarding them rather than the stupid figures people are banding about.
A nurse called in to Radio 5 today and spoke sensibly about it. She would prefer free training , free parking for example. She wasn’t complaining about her Salary or the rise.
Unions will always complain and threaten. It’s just bartering

Exactly , I can’t believe they’re not satisfied by being clapped once a week, bit ungrateful eh....

Well they get to wipe the sh*tty arses of the extremely sick
Surely that should be a plus for them !!

Bump

Lifting this to page 2 as The Gangsta thinks he run tings !

[Still wrong]

Stalking me againg are we ?

Could you repeat that in English please?

Stalking me againg are we ?

The g is added to a word, its what we in the know like to call wannabe gangstas !!

comical, you are a one.

[tuffers#1]

Could you repeat that in English please?

Stalking me againg are we ?

The g is added to a word, its what we in the know like to call wannabe gangstas !!

comical, you are a one.

Do we need to sort this out ?

Or are you going to let me have possibly my last day
Without a C*nt like youh hounding my soul for eternity ?

[Thor]

I am dismayed at what I’ve listened too today. It’s an absolute scandal that they have pulled this stunt and we the people can’t let them get away with it. If the BOE inflation figures are correct then this pay rise will actually be a pay cut, think about that for a min.

The guy and girls who worked on the frontline deserve to be treated better than this, much better. Some even paid with their lives doing their job, it should never be like that.

If they can find 37bn for track and trace and countless hundreds of millions on ppe some of which were never received or were of such poor quality they were binned as inadequate then surely they can find a proper percentage to pay the NHS staff. I heard the 12.5% request which is pie in the sky numbers, but who would begrudge them 5%? 3% at the very minimum.

If you’ve the minerals fire off an email to your MP and let them know that you don’t stand with their decision nor do you agree with how the doctors and nurses are being treated. Let them be under no illusion of the apathy felt by this poorly constructed pay award. Please don’t standby and do nothing as that’s exactly what they want you to do, nothing.

[Thor]

Stalking me againg are we ?

The g is added to a word, its what we in the know like to call wannabe gangstas !!

comical, you are a one.

Do we need to sort this out ?

Or are you going to let me have possibly my last day
Without a C*nt like youh hounding my soul for eternity ?

Tuffers are you OK?

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Whether or not the NHS could do with revamping is not the issue being discussed here.

The issue is that NHS staff, whether front-line or not (back-room staff will likely mingle with front-line staff anyway) have been going/are going above and beyond the call of duty during this pandemic. They have put their, and their families, lives at risk in order to perform their duties. Too often this has been done without the necessary PPE. To now offer them a 1% increase is degrading and disrespectful. It's not as if they are already well paid is it.

The government deserves to be loudly criticised by any means possible with the hope, and expectation, that a U-Turn on this proposal will be forthcoming. Only by shaming will this government consider doing the right thing.

They are not the only ones who have risked their lives as you say. It needed more than just the NHS to keep the country running .

What’s that got to do with anything?

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

I am dismayed at what I’ve listened too today. It’s an absolute scandal that they have pulled this stunt and we the people can’t let them get away with it. If the BOE inflation figures are correct then this pay rise will actually be a pay cut, think about that for a min.

The guy and girls who worked on the frontline deserve to be treated better than this, much better. Some even paid with their lives doing their job, it should never be like that.

If they can find 37bn for track and trace and countless hundreds of millions on ppe some of which were never received or were of such poor quality they were binned as inadequate then surely they can find a proper percentage to pay the NHS staff. I heard the 12.5% request which is pie in the sky numbers, but who would begrudge them 5%? 3% at the very minimum.

If you’ve the minerals fire off an email to your MP and let them know that you don’t stand with their decision nor do you agree with how the doctors and nurses are being treated. Let them be under no illusion of the apathy felt by this poorly constructed pay award. Please don’t standby and do nothing as that’s exactly what they want you to do, nothing.

You could write a letter to your mp.

Or you could do something actually worthwhile, like not voting for the fuckers.

[Millennial Snowflake]

Does anyone know tuffers outside of this forum?

[Fanny]

Mods/admins step in here, please.

People are, rightly, worried.

[Long slender neck]

Not much I can do really, I do not have tuffers contact details or know him personally.

[E10EU]

I’m sorry but working non stop through a shift is what we should all do. They are paid well , they do a great job , but I would prefer another way of rewarding them rather than the stupid figures people are banding about.
A nurse called in to Radio 5 today and spoke sensibly about it. She would prefer free training , free parking for example. She wasn’t complaining about her Salary or the rise.
Unions will always complain and threaten. It’s just bartering

George would be welcome to join Jacob Rees-Mogg in the 19th century.
Then it was the norm that the poor, the labourers and the little people really should know their place in society and be grateful for the crumbs from the Rees-Mogg table!


I guess that there are many `Georges` around who benefitted from the post war Labour government drive for decent and affordable housing, aka council housing. Those opportunities no longer exist since Thatcher's wrecking ball. Nowadays a nurse on the wonderful gross salary of £36000 wouldn´t even qualify for a mortgage to buy a dog kennel in London.

[Still's Carenae]

This thread shows why healrh and education should be run by a cross party committee.

Most of you are looking at this politically, which should not be the case.

I understand the argument for those on the frontine to would be rewarded. They are a minority, but with politics and unions all need to be rewarded, even those that have not worked through much of the last year, as they have been classed as vulnerable.

Many of my colleagues and myself who work in clinical settings are working significantly longer hours (mine is around 55 hours a work), because of cleaning etc, for around 75% of normal income. We are being offered roles in the NHS where the salaries are extremely good, but not for our clinical expertise. We put the interests of our patients first before income because that is why we have gone into healthcare, not for the money, as sadly some in the NHS have.

There are some groups that really deserve recognition which has not happened, the main example is the ambulance service. They have been under significant pressure over the last year and in the front line.

If our army goes to war, should they be paid more because they are in theatre? They are doing there job. It is the same we the healthcare staff. If you care about what you are doing, money is not important, but gratitude and thanks are.

[Thor]

That's the thing SC potentially patient care will suffer as surely some experienced staff will leave as they feel and rightly so betrayed.

[Dunners]

This could be the game changer:

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

It’s good to see him speaking out on these thorny issues.

[George M]

That's the thing SC potentially patient care will suffer as surely some experienced staff will leave as they feel and rightly so betrayed.

Thor. How have they been betrayed. Public sector workers receive pay increases every year. Most workers outside of these sectors haven’t been lucky enough to receive the same. I just don’t get the sentiment. Should prison staff be rewarded the same , or any of the other professions I mentioned. Where is your line drawn.
We would all love a 5% increase but is it really sensible at this time. Why hasn’t there been the same outcry about the 5% increase in corporation tax.

[Sid Bishop]

That's the thing SC potentially patient care will suffer as surely some experienced staff will leave as they feel and rightly so betrayed.

Thor. How have they been betrayed. Public sector workers receive pay increases every year. Most workers outside of these sectors haven’t been lucky enough to receive the same. I just don’t get the sentiment. Should prison staff be rewarded the same , or any of the other professions I mentioned. Where is your line drawn.
We would all love a 5% increase but is it really sensible at this time. Why hasn’t there been the same outcry about the 5% increase in corporation tax.

As a whole, public sector workers get better wages than in the private sector and better pensions as well.
Shop workers especially those working in supermarkets were also in the front line, many are on near minimum wages, their personal pensions are poor, yet no one seems to campaign much for them ?

[Type high]

An average nurses pay is now 34,000 a year. They are not underpaid anymore. Don’t get me wrong, I could never do that job but some perspective needed. Also, to be getting a rise when millions are losing their jobs even if it’s small and a token of thanks is not a bad thing.

Ahh, it must be Spring, the right wing is starting to sprout (utter bowlocks).

Bit like you in the winter then innit

[BoniO]

This thread shows why healrh and education should be run by a cross party committee.

Most of you are looking at this politically, which should not be the case.

I understand the argument for those on the frontine to would be rewarded. They are a minority, but with politics and unions all need to be rewarded, even those that have not worked through much of the last year, as they have been classed as vulnerable.

Many of my colleagues and myself who work in clinical settings are working significantly longer hours (mine is around 55 hours a work), because of cleaning etc, for around 75% of normal income. We are being offered roles in the NHS where the salaries are extremely good, but not for our clinical expertise. We put the interests of our patients first before income because that is why we have gone into healthcare, not for the money, as sadly some in the NHS have.

There are some groups that really deserve recognition which has not happened, the main example is the ambulance service. They have been under significant pressure over the last year and in the front line.

If our army goes to war, should they be paid more because they are in theatre? They are doing there job. It is the same we the healthcare staff. If you care about what you are doing, money is not important, but gratitude and thanks are.

The idea that people work for the NHS only for the great pay is outstanding idiocy, well done. It's also hugely insulting to the staff who enter the NHS because they believe in it's role in society.

You pick out the Ambulance Service as the main example who deserve recognition. I certainly agree that they do deserve recognition but they are just one facet of an organisation that has been stretched and stressed by the pandemic. Of course, it's not just the "organisation" that has been stressed - it's really the people who have been stressed and traumatised by what they've gone through. It's not the norm. It's not just people "doing their job" - it's about people being put in harms way whilst still maintaining highly professional standards delivering care to those suffering the worst effects of the virus. None of us can reasonably perform at this level for prolonged periods of time without suffering in one way or another. This is why they deserve recognition, and a clap for 5 minutes once a fortnight doesn't cut it.

Lastly your analogy with the army. Well clearly the difference in roles and expectations makes this meaningless and then there's the small matter that the Army does indeed pay a soldier more when he's deployed to a high risk area. So, a piss poor analogy all round then.

[BoniO]

An average nurses pay is now 34,000 a year. They are not underpaid anymore. Don’t get me wrong, I could never do that job but some perspective needed. Also, to be getting a rise when millions are losing their jobs even if it’s small and a token of thanks is not a bad thing.

Ahh, it must be Spring, the right wing is starting to sprout (utter bowlocks).

Bit like you in the winter then innit

Que?

[BoniO]

That's the thing SC potentially patient care will suffer as surely some experienced staff will leave as they feel and rightly so betrayed.

Thor. How have they been betrayed. Public sector workers receive pay increases every year. Most workers outside of these sectors haven’t been lucky enough to receive the same. I just don’t get the sentiment. Should prison staff be rewarded the same , or any of the other professions I mentioned. Where is your line drawn.
We would all love a 5% increase but is it really sensible at this time. Why hasn’t there been the same outcry about the 5% increase in corporation tax.

As a whole, public sector workers get better wages than in the private sector and better pensions as well.
Shop workers especially those working in supermarkets were also in the front line, many are on near minimum wages, their personal pensions are poor, yet no one seems to campaign much for them ?

This is such a negative and meaningless argument. Are you saying that NHS staff don't deserve a good pay rise just because shop workers probably won't get one? I'd argue that anyone, in any industry, that faced increased risk whist doing their job, deserves recognition.

This thread, however, is about the NHS pay offer.

[Mick McQuaid]

Dont know why anyone is surprised when tories do what they have always done, unlimited money to prop up the system that keeps them in power and 'love to but no can do at the moment' for the plebs.

Pissing about with pay rises of a few percent is neither here nor there, we should be aiming for massive regeneration, accepting that town centres and high streets will never be the same again. There's an opportunity to build a better and more sustainable country that benefits everyone if there was the will, instead Boris will most likely spaff it on some bridges.

[George M]

Dont know why anyone is surprised when tories do what they have always done, unlimited money to prop up the system that keeps them in power and 'love to but no can do at the moment' for the plebs.

Pissing about with pay rises of a few percent is neither here nor there, we should be aiming for massive regeneration, accepting that town centres and high streets will never be the same again. There's an opportunity to build a better and more sustainable country that benefits everyone if there was the will, instead Boris will most likely spaff it on some bridges.

So what was the furlough scheme then

[EH16]

Dont know why anyone is surprised when tories do what they have always done, unlimited money to prop up the system that keeps them in power and 'love to but no can do at the moment' for the plebs.

Pissing about with pay rises of a few percent is neither here nor there, we should be aiming for massive regeneration, accepting that town centres and high streets will never be the same again. There's an opportunity to build a better and more sustainable country that benefits everyone if there was the will, instead Boris will most likely spaff it on some bridges.

So what was the furlough scheme then

Propping up the system that keeps them in power.