Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Walthamsto wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:19 pm The same people bully Ling. The same people see it differently. It is dull now. Just leave it.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:19 pm

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:10 pm And THAT is why he should move on. It's 100% the wrong environment for him and he can't and won't escape the connection with his Dad. He isn't my type of player at all, but he was far better at Dagenham and actually offered something fairly dangerous there. Plus he could play when playing CM in our YT. That player, with that sort of confidence and not constantly looking to just do enough would have been fine (but not my first choice). It's just a bad environment for him to be in.

No,THAT is why he should never have been signed.

I’ve no idea what he was like in his 25 career games or whatever it was at Dagenham, I never saw him so can’t comment.

ContrifibulatoryFred wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:26 pm I did not see the first half of the match but I thought that Ling played well in the second half, putting some decent crosses in. Widdowson had a lot of the ball but too often he gets a nosebleed when going forward and seems incapable of going for goal/crossing the ball.
The team played well and deserved to win

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:21 pm

Walthamsto wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:19 pm The same people bully Ling. The same people see it differently. It is dull now. Just leave it.

It was just a highlight thread until the Haters took it over

Oiram wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:45 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:21 pm

Walthamsto wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:19 pm The same people bully Ling. The same people see it differently. It is dull now. Just leave it.

It was just a highlight thread until the Haters took it over

What have Luton got to do with it?

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:22 am

Harlow wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:28 am This is seriously p*ssing me off. When Newport scored there were 4 players near the scorer, not one of them tried to close him down as he shot. Orient are on a decent run, Since Ling has been back he has scored a couple of goals (one given to Wilkinson), we have lost twice, one of those to an inform League 1 team (beat Plymouth 3-0 on Saturday). It is a team game, we are a team, all players get it wrong sometimes but the attention on Ling is nonsense. Does anyone know the instructions Sam is playing to? Boss seems to know what he is doing.

Let's stop undermining him, get behind the team, of course we will have moans and groans (after we beat Bradford I asked if we were awful), that is part of it but not this wholesale slagging off of one player. We are in our best position for years, lets go for it!!!

Ling makes the same mistakes every week and other players have to cover for him all the time. It was noticable on Saturday at how we tried to avoid attacking down our right unless we really had to. He’s a liability and the plYers know that. We haven’t won games because he has played. The fact is, he gets extended runs in the side no matter how poorly he plays. Akinola was bombed out after a bad performance.

He is having a run now so his Dad can justify giving him a new contract in January.

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:35 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:22 am

Harlow wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:28 am This is seriously p*ssing me off. When Newport scored there were 4 players near the scorer, not one of them tried to close him down as he shot. Orient are on a decent run, Since Ling has been back he has scored a couple of goals (one given to Wilkinson), we have lost twice, one of those to an inform League 1 team (beat Plymouth 3-0 on Saturday). It is a team game, we are a team, all players get it wrong sometimes but the attention on Ling is nonsense. Does anyone know the instructions Sam is playing to? Boss seems to know what he is doing.

Let's stop undermining him, get behind the team, of course we will have moans and groans (after we beat Bradford I asked if we were awful), that is part of it but not this wholesale slagging off of one player. We are in our best position for years, lets go for it!!!

Ling makes the same mistakes every week and other players have to cover for him all the time. It was noticable on Saturday at how we tried to avoid attacking down our right unless we really had to. He’s a liability and the plYers know that. We haven’t won games because he has played. The fact is, he gets extended runs in the side no matter how poorly he plays. Akinola was bombed out after a bad performance.

He is having a run now so his Dad can justify giving him a new contract in January.

The last sentence hits the nail on the head.
Just having a run in the team where he hardly touches the ball in many games and ambles about with no urgency is not good enough to renew his contract by any rational thinking person.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:54 pm

Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:53 pm I don't wish to be a Ling hater but I draw your attention to the build up of Newport's goal. As the ball is played up their left wing everybody is
sprinting back, either to carry the attack on or defend it, take a look at Ling, he is just ambling along like he's on a Sunday morning jog.
First priority signing must be a decent right back who can defend, run a bit faster and has more interest in the game.

This is true but I dont think it’s down to the reasons people are making out. His whole game is based on not making a mistake. Now that might sound like a decent philosophy but it’s not. It’s most noticeable when we have the ball, trying to play it out from the back, he hides behind the winger marking him. We never break out down the right hand side, it’s always through Widdowson. And when he does get the ball, he will always play the easy ball inside to Coulson or Cisse/Hector or Vigaro, rather than taking responsibility and looking for Wilko or DJ or Jobi etc further ahead. It’s true that he rarely gives the ball away, his stats probably look great, he just passes the buck for someone else to go long.

In the build up to the goal yesterday, the ball goes into his channel. But as his man is upfield with him, he’s content with that. He’s doing his job of marking the left winger so in his mind hasn’t made an error. It’s not that he strolls back lazily, or has been caught upfield attacking (obviously not), it’s simply that he’s making sure his job is done of staying with his man.

Whereas a natural defender or team player without that mindset is busting a gut to get back in, then worry about who to pick up.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:36 am

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:24 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:09 am
From where ling starts he has no chance of affecting the result .

This sums it up. That's not the attitude of a winner.

He has no idea how the action will pan out, where the ball will drop, what will happen next. You break a neck to get back in and help out your fellow defenders. Especially when it's you that's f**ked up and given the ball away with a stupid throw in the first place.

So you break a neck to get back , 1 of our defenders clears
the ball & because nobody satyed where they were
the ball just goes back to the opposition & have control &
Exert more pressure. A good tactician will amble back
hoping 1 of his team mates clears the ball & the ambler then
has the opportunity to relieve pressure on his defence
as the midfield were sucked back into the box .

As for throw ins

Sams perfectly disguised bad throw in in the 2nd half allows the
Newport player to think he has averted danger with a hoof upfield .

Cunningly, Sam Lings Genius knew Dan Happes Immaculate hoof
Back upfield would cause mayhem in Newports defence as they couldnt
Deal with DJ & Brophs who finished Excellently.

So Sams presence & Participation led directly to a 4th win out of 5 .

rEDO , You really need to watch footy properly .
Stop running around like a headless chicken .

You will learn so much more

After all it was you who said

" But Ling doesn't have to run diagonally back to the penalty spot like a 10 year old chasing the ball".

Beradogs wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:15 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:36 am

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:24 am

This sums it up. That's not the attitude of a winner.

He has no idea how the action will pan out, where the ball will drop, what will happen next. You break a neck to get back in and help out your fellow defenders. Especially when it's you that's f**ked up and given the ball away with a stupid throw in the first place.

So you break a neck to get back , 1 of our defenders clears
the ball & because nobody satyed where they were
the ball just goes back to the opposition & have control &
Exert more pressure. A good tactician will amble back
hoping 1 of his team mates clears the ball & the ambler then
has the opportunity to relieve pressure on his defence
as the midfield were sucked back into the box .

As for throw ins

Sams perfectly disguised bad throw in in the 2nd half allows the
Newport player to think he has averted danger with a hoof upfield .

Cunningly, Sam Lings Genius knew Dan Happes Immaculate hoof
Back upfield would cause mayhem in Newports defence as they couldnt
Deal with DJ & Brophs who finished Excellently.

So Sams presence & Participation led directly to a 4th win out of 5 .

rEDO , You really need to watch footy properly .
Stop running around like a headless chicken .

You will learn so much more

After all it was you who said

" But Ling doesn't have to run diagonally back to the penalty spot like a 10 year old chasing the ball".

WHY CANT YOU WRITE PROPER SENTENCES.

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 1:31 pm Dohnut, I know you like a little stat/report, do you know the average amount of touches a player makes in a game? Without looking it up, what would you guess at?

Dohnut wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:52 pm

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 1:31 pm Dohnut, I know you like a little stat/report, do you know the average amount of touches a player makes in a game? Without looking it up, what would you guess at?

It took Ling tonight 15 minutes and 1 second to have his 12 touch of the ball. Massive improvement from his 12 touches in a whole game that I commented on. The reason why I counted that game because he didn’t touch the ball for the first 10 minutes, so I took note.

A measure of how much more involved he has become.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:00 pm 20 touches

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:28 pm Yeah I actually just don't really care anymore. I don't even rate Sam Ling. I'm just a bit bored of how its not uncommon for a right back to not be that involved anyway, particularly one of limited attacking ability, so we could find pretty disastrous stats for most of them but we have to make everything about Ling so here we are. I'm not even watching.

What was Ling Vs Brophy in the first 10, when Doh commented?

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:58 pm I'm not sure if many will argue that third tier championship winning full backs, and club legends, would be worse as actual footballers than two poor fourth tier full backs.

But the lads of today would be able to last 90 minutes, those of 50 years ago wouldn't. It's just a different game now, Sid.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:16 pm

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:58 pm I'm not sure if many will argue that third tier championship winning full backs, and club legends, would be worse as actual footballers than two poor fourth tier full backs.

But the lads of today would be able to last 90 minutes, those of 50 years ago wouldn't. It's just a different game now, Sid.

That is your opinion but I do not share it. You cant tell me that Dennis Rofe and Mick Jones, full of action, fast overlapping full backs, did less running etc than Sam Ling who hardly breaks a trot most of the game and Joe Widdowson who rarely ever ventures out of his own half !
Todays Os players are hardly supermen are they ! Dennis Rofe played in the First Division for many seasons as first choice left back for a very fine Leicester City team, also played for Chelsea and Southampton, no contest in comparison to Joe Widdowson.