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You think ?Oiram wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:24 pmDaft analogytuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:22 pm Germany & Japan both swear by it
Both lost the 2nd world war & yet
Are remarkably further ahead in the
World than here .
Maybe it is time to learn a few things from losing .
https://businessculture.org/western-eur ... n-germany/
http://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/AJ ... 10001.html
So we were playing with intensity yesterday ?Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:24 pmFitness wise, they’d have been shot by the end of the first half.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:54 am It is a silly comparison. To think that todays Leyton orient side would have run rings around the great Leeds United, Liverpool and Manchester United teams of the mid to late 1960s is quite ridiculous. They all had top class skillful players who would have made mincemeat of the current Os side. Lastly, are we to believe that Joe Widdowson would have had been able to contain the fast dribbling skills of George Best......as if !
I always do Sid .Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:17 pmAnd then ?
Make sure you look after your self mate, your health and well being comes well above these often silly Forum debates !
That's a nonsense saying in the modern game though. Since you seem to like a saying, how about "hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard"? Working hard in the modern game for two games a week is incredibly demanding and we're only about a quarter of the way through the league season.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:13 pmSo we were playing with intensity yesterday ?Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:24 pmFitness wise, they’d have been shot by the end of the first half.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:54 am It is a silly comparison. To think that todays Leyton orient side would have run rings around the great Leeds United, Liverpool and Manchester United teams of the mid to late 1960s is quite ridiculous. They all had top class skillful players who would have made mincemeat of the current Os side. Lastly, are we to believe that Joe Widdowson would have had been able to contain the fast dribbling skills of George Best......as if !
An old saying that still holds true today, class players LET THE BALL DO THE WORK !
And you think they never played 2 games a week years ago ?Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:32 pmThat's a nonsense saying in the modern game though. Since you seem to like a saying, how about "hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard"? Working hard in the modern game for two games a week is incredibly demanding and we're only about a quarter of the way through the league season.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:13 pmSo we were playing with intensity yesterday ?Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:24 pm
Fitness wise, they’d have been shot by the end of the first half.
An old saying that still holds true today, class players LET THE BALL DO THE WORK !
Sid you do realise the fitter a person isSid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:36 pmAnd you think they never played 2 games a week years ago ?Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:32 pmThat's a nonsense saying in the modern game though. Since you seem to like a saying, how about "hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard"? Working hard in the modern game for two games a week is incredibly demanding and we're only about a quarter of the way through the league season.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:13 pm
So we were playing with intensity yesterday ?
An old saying that still holds true today, class players LET THE BALL DO THE WORK !
Yes, sometimes.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:36 pmAnd you think they never played 2 games a week years ago ?Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:32 pmThat's a nonsense saying in the modern game though. Since you seem to like a saying, how about "hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard"? Working hard in the modern game for two games a week is incredibly demanding and we're only about a quarter of the way through the league season.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:13 pm
So we were playing with intensity yesterday ?
An old saying that still holds true today, class players LET THE BALL DO THE WORK !
You are talking to a person in myself who before my injury was butchers dog fit, used to play midweek indoor 5 a side football and 11 a side on most Saturdays and Sundays. I played football regularly since around 10 years old and captained my school sides till i left school at 16 years old. When playing adult football we did pre season cross country was part of the training and went training for 3 hours sessions, twice a week after work all taken by an ex army PT instructor and he literally made you sweat blood ! Seems to be an idea on this forum that Pro Footballers of years ago were in the main out of condition, alcoholics and puffed out after making a run down the pitch, what complete nonsense. Just a couple of players I saw play live....John White of Spurs and Scotland was a Mr Perpetual, slim as a biscuit and a celebrated cross-country runner. Cliff Jones, Wales and Spurs left winger, fastest winger by far I have ever seen and could have given Gareth Bale a 5 yard start over a 100 yards sprint. Stanley Mathews, a fitness freak who played till he was 50 years old ''Matthews was a vegetarian and a teetotaler, his first drink of alcohol not coming until he sipped champagne in the locker room to celebrate leading Blackpool to the FA Cup in a match that came to be known as “The Matthews Final” for his brilliant dribbling displays'' Lastly, pitches were awful years ago, really drained your energy and the old dubbin balls were like heading a medicine ball. Greaves and Best would be even more deadly if they were around now.tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:02 pmSid you do realise the fitter a person isSid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:36 pmAnd you think they never played 2 games a week years ago ?Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:32 pm
That's a nonsense saying in the modern game though. Since you seem to like a saying, how about "hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard"? Working hard in the modern game for two games a week is incredibly demanding and we're only about a quarter of the way through the league season.
The more developed they are in muscles
The more susceptible to injury they becaome.
Over use of the body is as bad as under use ofthe body .
Were you there playing football around those times or even at the grounds watching the players of the 60s and 70s ?Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:17 pmYes, sometimes.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:36 pmAnd you think they never played 2 games a week years ago ?Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:32 pm
That's a nonsense saying in the modern game though. Since you seem to like a saying, how about "hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard"? Working hard in the modern game for two games a week is incredibly demanding and we're only about a quarter of the way through the league season.
But not for 10 weeks on the trot. And not at the same intensity as games are played today.
It’s just the old dinosaurs that don’t get this, isn’t it?
Ok, I’ll try another route to prove how stupid your original post was:KC & sunshine band wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:59 pmnonsensical response
sitting on yer arse doing whatever has fried yer brain
you need a rest
Not in the premier league or the championship .
Do you think you were fitter than Justin Edinburgh or Marc Vivien Foe Sid ?Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:41 pmYou are talking to a person in myself who before my injury was butchers dog fit, used to play midweek indoor 5 a side football and 11 a side on most Saturdays and Sundays. I played football regularly since around 10 years old and captained my school sides till i left school at 16 years old. When playing adult football we did pre season cross country was part of the training and went training for 3 hours sessions, twice a week after work all taken by an ex army PT instructor and he literally made you sweat blood ! Seems to be an idea on this forum that Pro Footballers of years ago were in the main out of condition, alcoholics and puffed out after making a run down the pitch, what complete nonsense. Just a couple of players I saw play live....John White of Spurs and Scotland was a Mr Perpetual, slim as a biscuit and a celebrated cross-country runner. Cliff Jones, Wales and Spurs left winger, fastest winger by far I have ever seen and could have given Gareth Bale a 5 yard start over a 100 yards sprint. Stanley Mathews, a fitness freak who played till he was 50 years old ''Matthews was a vegetarian and a teetotaler, his first drink of alcohol not coming until he sipped champagne in the locker room to celebrate leading Blackpool to the FA Cup in a match that came to be known as “The Matthews Final” for his brilliant dribbling displays'' Lastly, pitches were awful years ago, really drained your energy and the old dubbin balls were like heading a medicine ball. Greaves and Best would be even more deadly if they were around now.tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:02 pmSid you do realise the fitter a person isSid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:36 pm
And you think they never played 2 games a week years ago ?
The more developed they are in muscles
The more susceptible to injury they becaome.
Over use of the body is as bad as under use ofthe body .
That's just more nonsense from you though. You don't need to have been there to know how much the game has changed, the demands nowadays, the fact that drinking and smoking was widespread and accepted back then, that players were nowhere near as fit or muscularly well built and didn't spend as much time working on their fitness as the players of today do. You don't need to have been there to know that the games are faster and more intense now and with tactics such as pressing fitness is so much more important.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:47 pmWere you there playing football around those times or even at the grounds watching the players of the 60s and 70s ?Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:17 pmYes, sometimes.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:36 pm
And you think they never played 2 games a week years ago ?
But not for 10 weeks on the trot. And not at the same intensity as games are played today.
It’s just the old dinosaurs that don’t get this, isn’t it?
If not then hard to take your claims seriously against those who were there ( like myself ) and so be able to make any sort of valid comparisons.
Obviously forgetting about Rooneys actions.Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:51 pmThat's just more nonsense from you though. You don't need to have been there to know how much the game has changed, the demands nowadays, the fact that drinking and smoking was widespread and accepted back then, that players were nowhere near as fit or muscular well built and didn't spend as much time working on their fitness as the players of today do. You don't need to have been there to know that the games are faster and more intense now and with tactics such as pressing fitness is so much more important.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:47 pmWere you there playing football around those times or even at the grounds watching the players of the 60s and 70s ?Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:17 pm
Yes, sometimes.
But not for 10 weeks on the trot. And not at the same intensity as games are played today.
It’s just the old dinosaurs that don’t get this, isn’t it?
If not then hard to take your claims seriously against those who were there ( like myself ) and so be able to make any sort of valid comparisons.
Just ask yourself...since the players of today could (if they wanted) devote as much time to drinking as their counterparts could 40-50 years ago then why don't they?
There isn’t a single footballer from the last century who could keep up with Gareth Bale over a 100 yard sprint.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:41 pmYou are talking to a person in myself who before my injury was butchers dog fit, used to play midweek indoor 5 a side football and 11 a side on most Saturdays and Sundays. I played football regularly since around 10 years old and captained my school sides till i left school at 16 years old. When playing adult football we did pre season cross country was part of the training and went training for 3 hours sessions, twice a week after work all taken by an ex army PT instructor and he literally made you sweat blood ! Seems to be an idea on this forum that Pro Footballers of years ago were in the main out of condition, alcoholics and puffed out after making a run down the pitch, what complete nonsense. Just a couple of players I saw play live....John White of Spurs and Scotland was a Mr Perpetual, slim as a biscuit and a celebrated cross-country runner. Cliff Jones, Wales and Spurs left winger, fastest winger by far I have ever seen and could have given Gareth Bale a 5 yard start over a 100 yards sprint. Stanley Mathews, a fitness freak who played till he was 50 years old ''Matthews was a vegetarian and a teetotaler, his first drink of alcohol not coming until he sipped champagne in the locker room to celebrate leading Blackpool to the FA Cup in a match that came to be known as “The Matthews Final” for his brilliant dribbling displays'' Lastly, pitches were awful years ago, really drained your energy and the old dubbin balls were like heading a medicine ball. Greaves and Best would be even more deadly if they were around now.tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:02 pmSid you do realise the fitter a person isSid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:36 pm
And you think they never played 2 games a week years ago ?
The more developed they are in muscles
The more susceptible to injury they becaome.
Over use of the body is as bad as under use ofthe body .
1 and a half hours work, twice per week! Lazy bastards should just get on with it.Wally Banter wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:11 pm If footballers don’t really need a rest when playing a couple of times a week, shouldn’t we tell the other 91 league clubs who’ve been doing the same thing?
Obviously you don't remember Stuart Hicks then, Ronnie.Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:15 pm
There isn’t a single footballer from the last century who could keep up with Gareth Bale over a 100 yard sprint.
When exactly was Wayne Rooney lastly of any signifigance in the game ?Cavalier wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:59 pmObviously forgetting about Rooneys actions.Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:51 pmThat's just more nonsense from you though. You don't need to have been there to know how much the game has changed, the demands nowadays, the fact that drinking and smoking was widespread and accepted back then, that players were nowhere near as fit or muscular well built and didn't spend as much time working on their fitness as the players of today do. You don't need to have been there to know that the games are faster and more intense now and with tactics such as pressing fitness is so much more important.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:47 pm
Were you there playing football around those times or even at the grounds watching the players of the 60s and 70s ?
If not then hard to take your claims seriously against those who were there ( like myself ) and so be able to make any sort of valid comparisons.
Just ask yourself...since the players of today could (if they wanted) devote as much time to drinking as their counterparts could 40-50 years ago then why don't they?
And of course the numinous drinking and roasting sessions that has gone on.
Cunningham would have Chidozie would defo have. That’s just at our club.Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:15 pmThere isn’t a single footballer from the last century who could keep up with Gareth Bale over a 100 yard sprint.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:41 pmYou are talking to a person in myself who before my injury was butchers dog fit, used to play midweek indoor 5 a side football and 11 a side on most Saturdays and Sundays. I played football regularly since around 10 years old and captained my school sides till i left school at 16 years old. When playing adult football we did pre season cross country was part of the training and went training for 3 hours sessions, twice a week after work all taken by an ex army PT instructor and he literally made you sweat blood ! Seems to be an idea on this forum that Pro Footballers of years ago were in the main out of condition, alcoholics and puffed out after making a run down the pitch, what complete nonsense. Just a couple of players I saw play live....John White of Spurs and Scotland was a Mr Perpetual, slim as a biscuit and a celebrated cross-country runner. Cliff Jones, Wales and Spurs left winger, fastest winger by far I have ever seen and could have given Gareth Bale a 5 yard start over a 100 yards sprint. Stanley Mathews, a fitness freak who played till he was 50 years old ''Matthews was a vegetarian and a teetotaler, his first drink of alcohol not coming until he sipped champagne in the locker room to celebrate leading Blackpool to the FA Cup in a match that came to be known as “The Matthews Final” for his brilliant dribbling displays'' Lastly, pitches were awful years ago, really drained your energy and the old dubbin balls were like heading a medicine ball. Greaves and Best would be even more deadly if they were around now.
you really are a silly billyHuxley wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:01 pmOk, I’ll try another route to prove how stupid your original post was:KC & sunshine band wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:59 pmnonsensical response
sitting on yer arse doing whatever has fried yer brain
you need a rest
Let’s stick you on the schedule of a professional footballer for two weeks. Let’s see how long you can keep up before you need a rest.
Neither were drinkers though thorson .Thor wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:41 pmCunningham would have Chidozie would defo have. That’s just at our club.Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:15 pmThere isn’t a single footballer from the last century who could keep up with Gareth Bale over a 100 yard sprint.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:41 pm
You are talking to a person in myself who before my injury was butchers dog fit, used to play midweek indoor 5 a side football and 11 a side on most Saturdays and Sundays. I played football regularly since around 10 years old and captained my school sides till i left school at 16 years old. When playing adult football we did pre season cross country was part of the training and went training for 3 hours sessions, twice a week after work all taken by an ex army PT instructor and he literally made you sweat blood ! Seems to be an idea on this forum that Pro Footballers of years ago were in the main out of condition, alcoholics and puffed out after making a run down the pitch, what complete nonsense. Just a couple of players I saw play live....John White of Spurs and Scotland was a Mr Perpetual, slim as a biscuit and a celebrated cross-country runner. Cliff Jones, Wales and Spurs left winger, fastest winger by far I have ever seen and could have given Gareth Bale a 5 yard start over a 100 yards sprint. Stanley Mathews, a fitness freak who played till he was 50 years old ''Matthews was a vegetarian and a teetotaler, his first drink of alcohol not coming until he sipped champagne in the locker room to celebrate leading Blackpool to the FA Cup in a match that came to be known as “The Matthews Final” for his brilliant dribbling displays'' Lastly, pitches were awful years ago, really drained your energy and the old dubbin balls were like heading a medicine ball. Greaves and Best would be even more deadly if they were around now.
