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Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:52 am

aylesburyos wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:49 am Ross is far more experienced than Webb. RE has worked at TH, Norwich, Bournemouth & Swindon . Webb will never manage an EFL club. He has no real playong pedigree & only worked at O's. Much prefer RE

Danny Webb usually played as a defender. He playing experience came from playing 306 games for League and non league clubs, including teams such as Southend Utd, Hull, Brighton, Cambridge Utd, Yeovil Town etc.
The only record I can find of Ross Embletons experiences of playing football is 4 games for Bedford during the 2016 season.

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:55 pm However it appears that not being an ex footballer has not held him back as a coach given the number of times Martin Ling has taken him to different clubs and promoted him to the point he is now the head coach - despite not showing the same positive encouragement to fletcher in those 29 days

What will be the acid test is not how well he does here as that is defined by Lofc getting promoted which I am convinced will occur given the owners / investment/ and history of being a higher division football club

The real evidence is will another employer hire Ross at some time in the future as a head coach and decribe that appointment of him as a " brilliant" coach

OyinbO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:13 pm

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:55 pm However it appears that not being an ex footballer has not held him back as a coach given the number of times Martin Ling has taken him to different clubs and promoted him to the point he is now the head coach - despite not showing the same positive encouragement to fletcher in those 29 days

What will be the acid test is not how well he does here as that is defined by Lofc getting promoted which I am convinced will occur given the owners / investment/ and history of being a higher division football club

The real evidence is will another employer hire Ross at some time in the future as a head coach and decribe that appointment of him as a " brilliant" coach

This is a key point. Is there any professional other than Ling who rates Embleton? He doesn't seem to command much respect from others, and it's not just restricted to Mark Cooper.

OyinbO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:13 pm

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:55 pm However it appears that not being an ex footballer has not held him back as a coach given the number of times Martin Ling has taken him to different clubs and promoted him to the point he is now the head coach - despite not showing the same positive encouragement to fletcher in those 29 days

What will be the acid test is not how well he does here as that is defined by Lofc getting promoted which I am convinced will occur given the owners / investment/ and history of being a higher division football club

The real evidence is will another employer hire Ross at some time in the future as a head coach and decribe that appointment of him as a " brilliant" coach

This is a key point. Is there any professional other than Ling who rates Embleton? He doesn't seem to command much respect from others, and it's not just restricted to Mark Cooper.

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:55 pm Danny Webb has played professional football
Ross has not played professional football to be classified as a exfootballer

To me that simple fact has a weighting towards Danny

However it appears that not being an ex footballer has not held him back as a coach given the number of times Martin Ling has taken him to different clubs and promoted him to the point he is now the head coach - despite not showing the same positive encouragement to fletcher in those 29 days

What will be the acid test is not how well he does here as that is defined by Lofc getting promoted which I am convinced will occur given the owners / investment/ and history of being a higher division football club

The real evidence is will another employer hire Ross at some time in the future as a head coach and decribe that appointment of him as a " brilliant" coach

I hope Ross is "brilliant" because if he has the ability of a Don Howe / Malcolm Allison / or Cloughie Lofc will end up where Brentford are !

Maybe Webb just got the hump having to call Ross guvoner as Ross explained in one interview people were all having to call him that - personally I think that was a patronising request and it to me does not convey any more respect to a head coach than carrying calling him Ross

In the management in the business world the modern approach prior to virus - is a flat structure / hot desks and they reckon that type of approach actually encourages more personal performance from all staff - I can't see why football is not the same

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:48 pm Let me stress I have nothing personal against Ross or Ling they both have a great affection of Lofc Ashe as us fans

It's just the retoric about the promotion the way fletcher good or bad was thrown out its was despicable that he appeared not to have any opportunity to rectify whatever the alleged shortcoming were

It'd obvious to a blind man Ross got more assistance from Ling over a longer period that fletcher got in his short stay

We have covered this subject to death - it's just there is something I personally find morally bankrupt and when I see Ross all chirpy in his very lengthy worded interviews I think hey wait a minuite if your so good at verbal explanations why did you not try and back fletcher to Ling to assist his stay - because it appears Ling took the " investigation " and turned it into a personal vendetta and throw the poor bloke out as quickly as he could

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:18 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:01 pm

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:48 pm Let me stress I have nothing personal against Ross or Ling they both have a great affection of Lofc Ashe as us fans

It's just the retoric about the promotion the way fletcher good or bad was thrown out its was despicable that he appeared not to have any opportunity to rectify whatever the alleged shortcoming were

It'd obvious to a blind man Ross got more assistance from Ling over a longer period that fletcher got in his short stay

We have covered this subject to death - it's just there is something I personally find morally bankrupt and when I see Ross all chirpy in his very lengthy worded interviews I think hey wait a minuite if your so good at verbal explanations why did you not try and back fletcher to Ling to assist his stay - because it appears Ling took the " investigation " and turned it into a personal vendetta and throw the poor bloke out as quickly as he could

Strange ''waste of money'' appointment anyway.
Surely any decent interview should have made clear as to what Fletcher's short and long term plans were if he became manager and it should have been made clear that Fletcher would have to work with the current squad on improving the team performances and that any changes in the playing staff would be far more of a long term project than expecting big changes to happen in the immediate future. Ling and the other people conducting the interviews for the new manager/Head Coach, really made a mess up of this one, big time.

It's the post appointment behaviour that gets me - ooh well we can't do nothing about others moral behaviour- it's all rather subjective - another person would say so what - I dislike that but hey Sid I reckon we are both at the similar age - it's all changed now Sid for the worst

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:01 am Danny is the best manager we could have had again.

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:17 am its certainly interesting that Justin seemed to always turn to Danny on the bench for whatever. At that time the power in the club resided with Justin probably much to Lings disdain. Once Ling was able to reassert control he did that and now it is he who has the power and is surrounding himself with people who "play the game"

EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:56 am Going on instinct here, but I always thought Danny Webb would make a good manager, he had something about him, albeit thrust into the O’s job ahead of his time in terrible circumstances, as were others, so difficult to judge on that.

He may have been out of order in the run up to him leaving the club, I wasn’t there, so am just going on what’s been said on these posts. But moving on is probably right for him, I wish him well, feels like our loss to me.