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Adz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:41 am

Redline wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:34 am

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:10 pm
If, as predicted, this outbreak reaches it's peak in a few weeks time, then perhaps people will finally wake up and realise how inept, lying tory governments have been decimating the NHS since 2010?

Not to mention the amount of essential, front-line staff that are now missing; many having returned to their homelands.

Thanks tory voters; in particular, the Brexit-loving ones. I hope that you are all proud of yourselves.

In Australia right now. 24/7 news on the virus.

It’s been explained that the measures being introduced are to avoid a peak in infections, smoothing the graph so to speak. Won’t necessarily reduce infection numbers but avoids the spike. A spike that the over 70s make worse because they are more likely to have chronic conditions that eat up more resources. Just look at the death rate by age.

Why? Because the health service in Aus, like every other country, cannot cope with the spike leading to decisions about who to treat and who to ignore. Also in Perth they are running short of testing kits.

So it’s got f*** all to do with the NHS funding and everything to do with the worlds health systems not being able to cope with the spike if everybody gets it at once. This is an exceptional situation.

It’s also been explained that in some areas staff rotation is being used to minimise the risk of all staff getting it at once.

Frankly people who try to make a party-political issue out of this are idiots who just don’t understand what the F*** is really going on and why measures are being taken.

Update. The NZ Prime minister has been displaying the spike graph too, explaining the measures. Not just GB, but the rest of the world.

Sadly flattening the curve is a load of bollocks. Note the lack of numbers in the charts. It would take years if you applied the numbers to the bell curve, anyone ready for that?

Redline wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:06 pm

Adz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:41 am

Redline wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:34 am

In Australia right now. 24/7 news on the virus.

It’s been explained that the measures being introduced are to avoid a peak in infections, smoothing the graph so to speak. Won’t necessarily reduce infection numbers but avoids the spike. A spike that the over 70s make worse because they are more likely to have chronic conditions that eat up more resources. Just look at the death rate by age.

Why? Because the health service in Aus, like every other country, cannot cope with the spike leading to decisions about who to treat and who to ignore. Also in Perth they are running short of testing kits.

So it’s got f*** all to do with the NHS funding and everything to do with the worlds health systems not being able to cope with the spike if everybody gets it at once. This is an exceptional situation.

It’s also been explained that in some areas staff rotation is being used to minimise the risk of all staff getting it at once.

Frankly people who try to make a party-political issue out of this are idiots who just don’t understand what the F*** is really going on and why measures are being taken.

Update. The NZ Prime minister has been displaying the spike graph too, explaining the measures. Not just GB, but the rest of the world.

Sadly flattening the curve is a load of bollocks. Note the lack of numbers in the charts. It would take years if you applied the numbers to the bell curve, anyone ready for that?

Flattening the curve, as explained by experts in Aus and reiterated by the New Zealand PM to me seems extremely sensible. It’s not about the numbers overall but the numbers the health systems are able to cope with at any one time. It avoids the choice that has happened in Italy at one point where medics had to choose who to treat because they just can’t treat everybody. I’d sooner take their opinions than yours with all due respect.

As for taking years? Who knows. A vaccine will happen along at some time, in the interim it’s about management and management is flattening the curve.

The numbers! What we know is that the majority of recorded cases people sometimes have no real effects, some don’t even know they have it apparently. It’s about managing those cases where people suffer adverse reactions and as we have seen it’s hitting those with chronic conditions the hardest. Hence the oldies like me being asked to isolate, not for our sakes but to reduce the risk burden on the health system.

It’s very clear Governments are learning on the job. That is no criticism of them, this is a massive learning curve which is why things change by the day. It’s really not a time to play party-politics, points scoring and so on. Once all this is over, which it will be at some point, we can all argue the toss, with the benefit of hindsight.

BoniO wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:03 pm

Redline wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:06 pm

Adz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:41 am

Sadly flattening the curve is a load of bollocks. Note the lack of numbers in the charts. It would take years if you applied the numbers to the bell curve, anyone ready for that?

Flattening the curve, as explained by experts in Aus and reiterated by the New Zealand PM to me seems extremely sensible. It’s not about the numbers overall but the numbers the health systems are able to cope with at any one time. It avoids the choice that has happened in Italy at one point where medics had to choose who to treat because they just can’t treat everybody. I’d sooner take their opinions than yours with all due respect.

As for taking years? Who knows. A vaccine will happen along at some time, in the interim it’s about management and management is flattening the curve.

The numbers! What we know is that the majority of recorded cases people sometimes have no real effects, some don’t even know they have it apparently. It’s about managing those cases where people suffer adverse reactions and as we have seen it’s hitting those with chronic conditions the hardest. Hence the oldies like me being asked to isolate, not for our sakes but to reduce the risk burden on the health system.

It’s very clear Governments are learning on the job. That is no criticism of them, this is a massive learning curve which is why things change by the day. It’s really not a time to play party-politics, points scoring and so on. Once all this is over, which it will be at some point, we can all argue the toss, with the benefit of hindsight.

Flattening the curve makes some sense but not at the expense of not taking all possibly draconian measures to contain it first. The government has no excuse from not learning from other Countries who have been much more successful at containing the outbreak. If they'd followed the leads/actions of some other Countries then we probably would be in a much better place. That is very much a criticism and a valid one. When the CSO states that we are looking to a herd immunity solution - at the very likely cost of hundreds of thousands of lives - only for the Health Minister to say we aren't doing that at all - only confuses where absolute clarity in word and action is needed.

BoniO wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:03 pm

Redline wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:06 pm

Adz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:41 am

Sadly flattening the curve is a load of bollocks. Note the lack of numbers in the charts. It would take years if you applied the numbers to the bell curve, anyone ready for that?

Flattening the curve, as explained by experts in Aus and reiterated by the New Zealand PM to me seems extremely sensible. It’s not about the numbers overall but the numbers the health systems are able to cope with at any one time. It avoids the choice that has happened in Italy at one point where medics had to choose who to treat because they just can’t treat everybody. I’d sooner take their opinions than yours with all due respect.

As for taking years? Who knows. A vaccine will happen along at some time, in the interim it’s about management and management is flattening the curve.

The numbers! What we know is that the majority of recorded cases people sometimes have no real effects, some don’t even know they have it apparently. It’s about managing those cases where people suffer adverse reactions and as we have seen it’s hitting those with chronic conditions the hardest. Hence the oldies like me being asked to isolate, not for our sakes but to reduce the risk burden on the health system.

It’s very clear Governments are learning on the job. That is no criticism of them, this is a massive learning curve which is why things change by the day. It’s really not a time to play party-politics, points scoring and so on. Once all this is over, which it will be at some point, we can all argue the toss, with the benefit of hindsight.

Flattening the curve makes some sense but not at the expense of not taking all possibly draconian measures to contain it first. The government has no excuse from not learning from other Countries who have been much more successful at containing the outbreak. If they'd followed the leads/actions of some other Countries then we probably would be in a much better place. That is very much a criticism and a valid one. When the CSO states that we are looking to a herd immunity solution - at the very likely cost of hundreds of thousands of lives - only for the Health Minister to say we aren't doing that at all - only confuses where absolute clarity in word and action is needed.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:45 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:03 pm

Redline wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:06 pm

Flattening the curve, as explained by experts in Aus and reiterated by the New Zealand PM to me seems extremely sensible. It’s not about the numbers overall but the numbers the health systems are able to cope with at any one time. It avoids the choice that has happened in Italy at one point where medics had to choose who to treat because they just can’t treat everybody. I’d sooner take their opinions than yours with all due respect.

As for taking years? Who knows. A vaccine will happen along at some time, in the interim it’s about management and management is flattening the curve.

The numbers! What we know is that the majority of recorded cases people sometimes have no real effects, some don’t even know they have it apparently. It’s about managing those cases where people suffer adverse reactions and as we have seen it’s hitting those with chronic conditions the hardest. Hence the oldies like me being asked to isolate, not for our sakes but to reduce the risk burden on the health system.

It’s very clear Governments are learning on the job. That is no criticism of them, this is a massive learning curve which is why things change by the day. It’s really not a time to play party-politics, points scoring and so on. Once all this is over, which it will be at some point, we can all argue the toss, with the benefit of hindsight.

Flattening the curve makes some sense but not at the expense of not taking all possibly draconian measures to contain it first. The government has no excuse from not learning from other Countries who have been much more successful at containing the outbreak. If they'd followed the leads/actions of some other Countries then we probably would be in a much better place. That is very much a criticism and a valid one. When the CSO states that we are looking to a herd immunity solution - at the very likely cost of hundreds of thousands of lives - only for the Health Minister to say we aren't doing that at all - only confuses where absolute clarity in word and action is needed.

Quite right on all counts.

point nine one eight wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:33 am

Lucky7 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:12 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:03 pm

China has not told the truth since this started so I wouldn’t beleive a word their government tells us.

And yet you believe everything Johnson and his cronies are doing are for the good of people

Get real ffs

Boris is a Hero sent by him upstairs to save the country from Jeremy Corblimy

Mikero wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:31 am How can pointing out that the NHS would be having a much easier time of it if the 48,000 nurses that they are short of were in post be political point scoring, it is fact. The flutting of pidgeons coming home to roost is giving some people amnesia.

Mikero

E10EU wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:36 am

point nine one eight wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:33 am

Lucky7 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:12 pm

And yet you believe everything Johnson and his cronies are doing are for the good of people

Get real ffs

Boris is a Hero sent by him upstairs to save the country from Jeremy Corblimy

Is there as virus that causes ignorance and stupidity?
Seems that Johnson has well and truly fecked this country.

And all because he fancied himself as Churchill MK.II

RedO wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:11 am Redline is a very strange, pro Tory, new account, isn’t he?

Wonder who he used to be?

point nine one eight wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:01 am

E10EU wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:36 am

point nine one eight wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:33 am

Boris is a Hero sent by him upstairs to save the country from Jeremy Corblimy

Is there as virus that causes ignorance and stupidity?
Seems that Johnson has well and truly fecked this country.

And all because he fancied himself as Churchill MK.II

Yes there is and you've got it, you're a typical socialist, knock everything you disagree with then resort to attacking the poster, He is Prime Minister and achieved something in life, you are a nothing and will remain so, you poor jealous thing, Go back to following Jeremy the guy who looks like a p*ssed geography teacher

Redline wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:32 am

RedO wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:11 am Redline is a very strange, pro Tory, new account, isn’t he?

Wonder who he used to be?

Where am I pro Tory?

The issues being complained about are not down to politicians and mirror what I am seeing in Aus.

For example, inexperienced doctors and nurses, even those not yet qualified, are expected to be called upon to help out existing numbers who won’t cope should the spike happen. Not enough beds in the Internsive care units expected and plans being drawn up to prioritise limited facilities. The elderly, those with terminal conditions etc may not get treated at all. Ventilation equipment will be insufficient to cope with the expected increase. Routine surgery likely to be deferred. Survival of the fittest is the term being used.

Big debates on whether schools should close, currently the thinking is students are better off at school, whilst lots of parents are taking their kids out of school. Conflicting views on what should be done.

Kids football too has been stopped, the latest thing to happen just today. Strange times.

So when I here criticism of UK politicians then the same could be said for the Aussie ones, and the French, Germans, Italians, Spanish and so on, who to me anyway, seem to be doing all they can given the uncertainty of the situation that changes by the day.

I’m in almost self imposed isolation watching TV all day, hoping my Qantas flight home don’t get cancelled.

There will be plenty of time to argue the toss once this situation recovers. Right now it’s about pulling together.

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:40 am

Redline wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:32 am

RedO wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:11 am Redline is a very strange, pro Tory, new account, isn’t he?

Wonder who he used to be?

Where am I pro Tory?

The issues being complained about are not down to politicians and mirror what I am seeing in Aus.

For example, inexperienced doctors and nurses, even those not yet qualified, are expected to be called upon to help out existing numbers who won’t cope should the spike happen. Not enough beds in the Internsive care units expected and plans being drawn up to prioritise limited facilities. The elderly, those with terminal conditions etc may not get treated at all. Ventilation equipment will be insufficient to cope with the expected increase. Routine surgery likely to be deferred. Survival of the fittest is the term being used.

Big debates on whether schools should close, currently the thinking is students are better off at school, whilst lots of parents are taking their kids out of school. Conflicting views on what should be done.

Kids football too has been stopped, the latest thing to happen just today. Strange times.

So when I here criticism of UK politicians then the same could be said for the Aussie ones, and the French, Germans, Italians, Spanish and so on, who to me anyway, seem to be doing all they can given the uncertainty of the situation that changes by the day.

I’m in almost self imposed isolation watching TV all day, hoping my Qantas flight home don’t get cancelled.

There will be plenty of time to argue the toss once this situation recovers. Right now it’s about pulling together.

Sorry, but that's bollocks. Of course this is a Global issue, of course every government is struggling, of course all health services are under pressure, you really don't need to keep repeating this ad nauseum. However, some governments are doing better than others. Some are taking radical steps before the situation gets completely out of control. Some, like our government I would suggest, are not learning from "best practices" from around the globe. That's unforgivable given that the price for their failure to adopt such best practices will almost inevitably lead to many thousands of deaths that could have been avoided.

Redline wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:58 am

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:40 am

Redline wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:32 am

Where am I pro Tory?

The issues being complained about are not down to politicians and mirror what I am seeing in Aus.

For example, inexperienced doctors and nurses, even those not yet qualified, are expected to be called upon to help out existing numbers who won’t cope should the spike happen. Not enough beds in the Internsive care units expected and plans being drawn up to prioritise limited facilities. The elderly, those with terminal conditions etc may not get treated at all. Ventilation equipment will be insufficient to cope with the expected increase. Routine surgery likely to be deferred. Survival of the fittest is the term being used.

Big debates on whether schools should close, currently the thinking is students are better off at school, whilst lots of parents are taking their kids out of school. Conflicting views on what should be done.

Kids football too has been stopped, the latest thing to happen just today. Strange times.

So when I here criticism of UK politicians then the same could be said for the Aussie ones, and the French, Germans, Italians, Spanish and so on, who to me anyway, seem to be doing all they can given the uncertainty of the situation that changes by the day.

I’m in almost self imposed isolation watching TV all day, hoping my Qantas flight home don’t get cancelled.

There will be plenty of time to argue the toss once this situation recovers. Right now it’s about pulling together.

Sorry, but that's bollocks. Of course this is a Global issue, of course every government is struggling, of course all health services are under pressure, you really don't need to keep repeating this ad nauseum. However, some governments are doing better than others. Some are taking radical steps before the situation gets completely out of control. Some, like our government I would suggest, are not learning from "best practices" from around the globe. That's unforgivable given that the price for their failure to adopt such best practices will almost inevitably lead to many thousands of deaths that could have been avoided.

And what is best practice. What I can tell you for sure that here in Aus there are varying views on exactly what best practice is. Maybe you should drop them an email and offer advice. One example, Some countries are suggesting no groups of more than 5 to 10 people. In Aus the number is 500. They say it may change. Already covered the schools issue. So what is right? Some borders remain open, others closed.

Look at testing numbers, the UK is up there on the list of countries carrying out tests on people. As of yesterday reported cases inthe UK compare favourably against many others. As do the increase rates. Current stats don’t suggest we are off the pace.

Nobody really knows what best practice is, things change by the day. USA ban flights for Europe but exclude The UK and Ireland from the ban. Days later we are included. What don’t people get about this problem? It changes by the day, people learn more each day, Governments adjust each day. So please don’t give me all this bolox about best practice. The world is still trying to work it all out. Today’s best practice may be different tomorrow.

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:11 am

Redline wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:58 am

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:40 am

Sorry, but that's bollocks. Of course this is a Global issue, of course every government is struggling, of course all health services are under pressure, you really don't need to keep repeating this ad nauseum. However, some governments are doing better than others. Some are taking radical steps before the situation gets completely out of control. Some, like our government I would suggest, are not learning from "best practices" from around the globe. That's unforgivable given that the price for their failure to adopt such best practices will almost inevitably lead to many thousands of deaths that could have been avoided.

And what is best practice. What I can tell you for sure that here in Aus there are varying views on exactly what best practice is. Maybe you should drop them an email and offer advice. One example, Some countries are suggesting no groups of more than 5 to 10 people. In Aus the number is 500. They say it may change. Already covered the schools issue. So what is right? Some borders remain open, others closed.

Look at testing numbers, the UK is up there on the list of countries carrying out tests on people. As of yesterday reported cases inthe UK compare favourably against many others. As do the increase rates. Current stats don’t suggest we are off the pace.

Nobody really knows what best practice is, things change by the day. USA ban flights for Europe but exclude The UK and Ireland from the ban. Days later we are included. What don’t people get about this problem? It changes by the day, people learn more each day, Governments adjust each day. So please don’t give me all this bolox about best practice. The world is still trying to work it all out. Today’s best practice may be different tomorrow.

I guess we could keep this argument going but this is my last reply to you. There is some truth in what you say, governments are still learning and doctors are still learning about the virus itself. Secondly, I also agree that adjustments are probably needed each day. However, I'd suggest that best practices are visible out there. Some Countries have managed to radically slow this virus down. How have they done that? Don't you think we should be asking them and following their lead? As for testing in the UK, we aren't even testing our front-line NHS staff - even though they are crying out for it - if we're talking best practices then that sure as hell isn't. Other Countries are testing those who think they have the virus whereas the UK CSO yesterday just said "if you think you have it stay at home and all your family stay at home too" - so exactly how are we "up there". It's absolutely right to criticise the government now - not later as you suggest - because it just might make a difference to how they react to this crisis. Failing to do the right thing now may cost tens of thousands of lives. End.

BoniO wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:03 pm

Redline wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:06 pm

Adz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:41 am

Sadly flattening the curve is a load of bollocks. Note the lack of numbers in the charts. It would take years if you applied the numbers to the bell curve, anyone ready for that?

Flattening the curve, as explained by experts in Aus and reiterated by the New Zealand PM to me seems extremely sensible. It’s not about the numbers overall but the numbers the health systems are able to cope with at any one time. It avoids the choice that has happened in Italy at one point where medics had to choose who to treat because they just can’t treat everybody. I’d sooner take their opinions than yours with all due respect.

As for taking years? Who knows. A vaccine will happen along at some time, in the interim it’s about management and management is flattening the curve.

The numbers! What we know is that the majority of recorded cases people sometimes have no real effects, some don’t even know they have it apparently. It’s about managing those cases where people suffer adverse reactions and as we have seen it’s hitting those with chronic conditions the hardest. Hence the oldies like me being asked to isolate, not for our sakes but to reduce the risk burden on the health system.

It’s very clear Governments are learning on the job. That is no criticism of them, this is a massive learning curve which is why things change by the day. It’s really not a time to play party-politics, points scoring and so on. Once all this is over, which it will be at some point, we can all argue the toss, with the benefit of hindsight.

Flattening the curve makes some sense but not at the expense of not taking all possibly draconian measures to contain it first. The government has no excuse from not learning from other Countries who have been much more successful at containing the outbreak. If they'd followed the leads/actions of some other Countries then we probably would be in a much better place. That is very much a criticism and a valid one. When the CSO states that we are looking to a herd immunity solution - at the very likely cost of hundreds of thousands of lives - only for the Health Minister to say we aren't doing that at all - only confuses where absolute clarity in word and action is needed.

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:40 pm Agreed Max. It's not politicising the issue either. He's just not the man for the job.

On another note, I'm currently in France and under the enforced 15 day lockdown. You can still go out for food and other essentials but all bars/restaurants etc etc are closed down and police and army are making checks if you're found out and about. Luckily I have beer & wine aplenty in stock. Worse things happen at sea. Keep well everyone.

point nine one eight wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:01 am

E10EU wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:36 am

point nine one eight wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:33 am

Boris is a Hero sent by him upstairs to save the country from Jeremy Corblimy

Is there as virus that causes ignorance and stupidity?
Seems that Johnson has well and truly fecked this country.

He is Prime Minister and achieved something in life, you are a nothing and will remain so, you poor jealous thing, Go back to following Jeremy the guy who looks like a p*ssed geography teacher

Redline wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:57 am

Mikero wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:31 am How can pointing out that the NHS would be having a much easier time of it if the 48,000 nurses that they are short of were in post be political point scoring, it is fact. The flutting of pidgeons coming home to roost is giving some people amnesia.

Mikero

Like I said before. A discussion about how the NHS has been managed/mismanaged for decades is a separate and valid debate. And one that extends way beyond the last decade. And it’s not just a debate about funding but management and planning in general. Very easy to extend the debate to the general population whose habits are increasing pressures on services. A big topic.

The current situation is unique and health services around the globe are struggling. I will say it again, health services around the globe are struggling. Therefore if anybody wants to criticise NHS funding, by the same token that criticism applies to most countries around the globe who are also struggling to cope. The NHS are far from unique in managing this problem.

This is not a difficult concept. The current crisis has not been planned for anywhere in the world. Anywhere in the world.

Redline wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:05 am There is no probable about changes every day. There are changes every day. If you wonder about advice given to people, the UK is no different from Aus it seems. Advice from the Government conflicts with advice from GPs for example, watched the programme 30 minutes ago. Mixed messages abound. Doctors want interstate travel restrictions, the authorities don’t. Doctors want massive lock downs, the Government want a different approach. It’s is a mess and opinions vary drastically even amongst experts.

In my opinion it’s very hard to criticise any group, all want a solution but see different ways of achieving it.

Data.

Tests by country based on best available data. Examples

Italy 77,000
UK 30,000
France, Austria, Netherlands circa 6,000
USA 20,000
China 320,000
S Korea 248,000
Russia 77,000
Japan, 10,000. Wow, Olympics around the corner!

When tests are made on a per million population the UK remains top 10 and is one of a few countries who provide updated data several times a day.

This data is of course best available and very rough, some countries data, like Germany, is not available. Caution of course. But to me, despite the roughness of the data it suggests to me the UK is keeping pace with the issue.

Lucky7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:45 pm

Redline wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:05 am There is no probable about changes every day. There are changes every day. If you wonder about advice given to people, the UK is no different from Aus it seems. Advice from the Government conflicts with advice from GPs for example, watched the programme 30 minutes ago. Mixed messages abound. Doctors want interstate travel restrictions, the authorities don’t. Doctors want massive lock downs, the Government want a different approach. It’s is a mess and opinions vary drastically even amongst experts.

In my opinion it’s very hard to criticise any group, all want a solution but see different ways of achieving it.

Data.

Tests by country based on best available data. Examples

Italy 77,000
UK 30,000
France, Austria, Netherlands circa 6,000
USA 20,000
China 320,000
S Korea 248,000
Russia 77,000
Japan, 10,000. Wow, Olympics around the corner!

When tests are made on a per million population the UK remains top 10 and is one of a few countries who provide updated data several times a day.

This data is of course best available and very rough, some countries data, like Germany, is not available. Caution of course. But to me, despite the roughness of the data it suggests to me the UK is keeping pace with the issue.

Oh I see Dohnut has returned!!