Independent Leyton Orient Forum

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:48 am

DuvB wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:15 pm

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:51 am

Really is very different to "reaoly"

Move along now tuff- think we now have concluded fletcher has a higher grade football career and cv than Ross "the boss" and if he had been given any encouragement from Ling that resembles what Ross got, fletcher would not know be back employed at a premier club but still with us in league two

I wondering tuff had you ever considered that fletcher technical ability as a coach contained methods of instructions and playing that Ling and Ross just could not grasp as Ross not being an ex player and Ling football career was really playing generally at a lower level and hence they took the easy way out and pulled the plug

Fletcher patently had playing ability to a very high level but to come in and within his first 29 days, produce a list of 10 people (players + coaches?) that he wanted to get rid off showed that he really had no idea of the realities and practicalities of running a professional football club. The man was stupid but so were the club in appointing him in the first place.

Yes I agree partially to a point It Is futile me or tuff continuing this theme
I believe the club have a systematic way of replacing players based on their contracts in place. Yes I agree if fletcher produced a list and recommended or desired the people on it were replaced without understanding how Lofc do tend to honour contracts then that was not good.

My final comment on this subject and my hypothesis is that he obviously produced a list of names as travis stated and the club were suprised of some if the names on the list however the evidence since then on interviews is Lofc have as an management entity a process that names players that are capable of playing in league one / two / and those not capable in the future - PI confirmed this which included in the matrix the phrase "probable and possible"

They do nothing different to what fletcher alleged and did produce a list the only difference is fletcher must of been most determined to improve the team quicker than the contracts in place would allow - thus a load of money being wasted in non productive costs transfering /loans out/ or termination - by buying up contract value.

Further a person like fletcher must be very determined character to achieve his playing career and he in his recent Bournmouth newspaper did reveal he was suprised that he was fired after such a short time and further people he relied on to assist him just did not act in a faithful manner.

It is a real travesty for everyone what happened my main beef was not Ross being promoted in the end but the lack of assistance fletcher appears to of received whilst here particularly with Ling doing a latent investigation after ten days instead of having the balls or bottle to be straight up with fletcher and assist him in his new job and the way he laughed and swore in the QA demeaning fletcher like trash

Ling may be a great chum and a great father and husband but on this particular matter he failed and compounded his own failure with no empathy to fletcher

But Ling bends over backwards to support Ross to the point that it's rather obscene as a impartial third party watching from the fan point of view the difference and the way Ling has over emphasised Ross coaching expierence since the age of 16 saying Ross has been a coach for 22 years (most of that not being a pro first team but kids at different ages )and then enhancing it further using the words brilliant if some one is brilliant in any field their cv and production of results indicate that.

End of.

RedO wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:32 am Only problem is we’re not looking forward, we’re stuck in limbo, treading water, not getting anywhere.

DuvB wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:15 pm

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:51 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:51 am 1st point
Blathering is very different to babbling .

2nd point
The P.I has stated categorically that this season reaoly has become a free hit becuase of the
early summer tragedy to befall the Great Man.

Move along now .

Really is very different to "reaoly"

Move along now tuff- think we now have concluded fletcher has a higher grade football career and cv than Ross "the boss" and if he had been given any encouragement from Ling that resembles what Ross got, fletcher would not know be back employed at a premier club but still with us in league two

I wondering tuff had you ever considered that fletcher technical ability as a coach contained methods of instructions and playing that Ling and Ross just could not grasp as Ross not being an ex player and Ling football career was really playing generally at a lower level and hence they took the easy way out and pulled the plug

Fletcher patently had playing ability to a very high level but to come in and within his first 29 days, produce a list of 10 people (players + coaches?) that he wanted to get rid off showed that he really had no idea of the realities and practicalities of running a professional football club. The man was stupid but so were the club in appointing him in the first place.

Redline wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:44 am

DuvB wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:15 pm

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:51 am

Really is very different to "reaoly"

Move along now tuff- think we now have concluded fletcher has a higher grade football career and cv than Ross "the boss" and if he had been given any encouragement from Ling that resembles what Ross got, fletcher would not know be back employed at a premier club but still with us in league two

I wondering tuff had you ever considered that fletcher technical ability as a coach contained methods of instructions and playing that Ling and Ross just could not grasp as Ross not being an ex player and Ling football career was really playing generally at a lower level and hence they took the easy way out and pulled the plug

Fletcher patently had playing ability to a very high level but to come in and within his first 29 days, produce a list of 10 people (players + coaches?) that he wanted to get rid off showed that he really had no idea of the realities and practicalities of running a professional football club. The man was stupid but so were the club in appointing him in the first place.

His playing abilities may well have played a part in deciding very quickly the people he considered not good enough. Aswill other aspects of his experience. Don’t know where the 10 comes from but I’m sure we could all draw up a list ourselves.

But for me that’s not the issue. The parameters of his job, including scope/limitations for making changes should have been ironed out and agreed before he got the job. And of course we don’t know the timescale. Some sooner, like Gorman and Alabi, some in June like Harold and some at their end of contract. 10 is not unreasonable. The continual improvement Ling himself talks about. After all he was sold as a long term solution to our Head Coach requirements, not a hatchet man. Perhaps that was exactly what he was doing.

If he put forward proposals that were not aligned to club expectations, look at the interview process, not Fletcher.

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:21 pm Ling surrounding himself with people who lack experience to please his ego and to calm his insecurities i suspect.

Cant have anyone challenging what you say, or having the experience/knowledge to challenge. See Danny Webb.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:37 pm Scope to make changes yes, but if you go into a job and p*ss people off then you'll be out the door.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:37 pm Scope to make changes yes, but if you go into a job and p*ss people off then you'll be out the door.

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:00 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:37 pm Scope to make changes yes, but if you go into a job and p*ss people off then you'll be out the door.

Took long enough, but glad someone finally got it

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 3:01 pm I thought you Ling haters didnt want him interfering? Now you think he should be having a word?

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:06 am Tuff

I don't know your intellect or career job to indicate your basic intelligence so please don't reply any more until you think the issue out correctly

Think - a loan manager actually is a very important role at a premier club

Think of the players at the start of the careers as a financial asset

They given their care and development to a person of ability to try and save the club a lot of money and it's far more economic than to try end buy a decent premier player at today's prices

Second point - with respect to you and your father you quote - you are wrong as fletcher has a far higher grade cv than both Ross (which is not hard) and Ling as players

I just looked on the net on Ling I suggest you read his football cv - it actually is ok I guess but not outstanding

Ross - well he did coach kids of eight onwards and I assume he passed a few badges but again tell me what is so standout in his career to date that indicates that Ling reference to " brilliant" has a sound basis and warrant the extreme bias of Ling

I don't see any other people in the footy world demanding his services

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:37 pm Scope to make changes yes, but if you go into a job and p*ss people off then you'll be out the door.

EliotNes wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:09 am Ok it’s years ago and times change but their appointments as manager of the O’s were the first for each of Jimmy Bloomfield, George Petchey and Frank Clark.

EliotNes wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:09 am Ok it’s years ago and times change but their appointments as manager of the O’s were the first for each of Jimmy Bloomfield, George Petchey and Frank Clark.

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:15 pm

EliotNes wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:09 am Ok it’s years ago and times change but their appointments as manager of the O’s were the first for each of Jimmy Bloomfield, George Petchey and Frank Clark.

Jimmy played over three hundred games in the 1st division
George played over 400 games for qpr and palace
Frank won the European cup and league championship

All were seasoned pros who played the game at the highest level and understood it.

Ross played kids football only.

I rest my case.

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:25 pm Very good tuffers.

I'll be proved right in the end, mark my words.

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:46 am

KC & sunshine band wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:25 pm

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:06 am Tuff

I don't know your intellect or career job to indicate your basic intelligence so please don't reply any more until you think the issue out correctly

Think - a loan manager actually is a very important role at a premier club

Think of the players at the start of the careers as a financial asset

They given their care and development to a person of ability to try and save the club a lot of money and it's far more economic than to try end buy a decent premier player at today's prices

Second point - with respect to you and your father you quote - you are wrong as fletcher has a far higher grade cv than both Ross (which is not hard) and Ling as players

I just looked on the net on Ling I suggest you read his football cv - it actually is ok I guess but not outstanding

Ross - well he did coach kids of eight onwards and I assume he passed a few badges but again tell me what is so standout in his career to date that indicates that Ling reference to " brilliant" has a sound basis and warrant the extreme bias of Ling

I don't see any other people in the footy world demanding his services

OMG

don't know your intellect or career job to indicate your basic intelligence so please don't reply any more until you think the issue out correctly

WTF

This is a free forum of opinions of all abilities and education, and backgrounds

How condescending are you

Pull your head out your arse and then screw it back in again

Yeah agreed I am very condescending - remarkable how different people read some of the posts on here wrongly

Ooh well must try and remember there are many thick people in this world or what a shame for mankind