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The measure scientists use to determine how easily a virus spreads is known as the "basic reproduction number," or R0 (pronounced R-nought). This is an estimate of the average number of people who catch the virus from a single infected person, Live science previously reported. The flu has an R0 value of about 1.3, according to The New York Times.

Researchers are still working to determine the R0 for COVID-19. A study published Jan. 29 in the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) estimated an R0 value for the new coronavirus to be 2.2, meaning each infected person has been spreading the virus to an average of 2.2 people.

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:23 am 2% is still a pretty low death rate to be fair, and that figure will be skewed upwards due to most cases being in countries with much poorer developed healthcare systems.

Most of the fatalities in Europe are elderly people and people with pre-existing health conditions, so I'm not panicking just yet

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:53 am

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:59 am

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:44 am

1-2%? Prove it. That is still 10x higher than the death rate from seasonal flu.

Maybe not everyone gets the flu jab?

Dont know why you're bringing the Australian bushfires into this or why you are downplaying them.

I'm absolutely not downplaying the Australian bushfires whatsoever. I was simply using that as another example of media sensationalism; that did not mirror the full facts.

However, as someone who works within the Tourism sector; and was driving a motorhome throughout NSW, Vic. & the South Australia Territories during December/early January, I can categorically assure you that the hysteria, particularly across the European Media, was vastly exaggerated. One can only assume it was very quiet for other news.

I live in Australia - east
You are wrong to use the words you use and even in the way you use them "sensationalism" - no way

Look at the area it burnt
Look at the area in Brazil and USA where there have been fires and compare the difference

It was real very real
I bought and wore P2 masks
The air quality as measured by an international app had Canberra with the worlds worst air pollution

One person I work with father in law had his house destroyed totally

I know another person who mother lost a heritage gold mine village totally gone

My friend at work was packed and had an evacuation plan in place in accordance with the warnings

The sky in Canberra was red like a romantic sunset from hell

I had all my personal belongs ready to be moved out

Read again the percentage of kangeroo island lost

The other regions area lost was greater than some european countries

Fire fighters were killed

A plan crashed in the snowy mountains two fire pilots killed

Trees fell on cars and they died as the cars rolled off road

It was a war zone while towns burnt

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:05 pm

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:23 am 2% is still a pretty low death rate to be fair, and that figure will be skewed upwards due to most cases being in countries with much poorer developed healthcare systems.

Most of the fatalities in Europe are elderly people and people with pre-existing health conditions, so I'm not panicking just yet

Only the vulnerable need to worry then? I'm alright Jack.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:30 pm A possible case of coronavirus in Canary Wharf

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:30 pm A possible case of coronavirus in Canary Wharf

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:30 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:30 pm A possible case of coronavirus in Canary Wharf

I'm praying just as hard for the city wankers as I am for the ski wankers.

Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:28 pm Crikey chaps, Coronavirus is a relatively mild disease, and should not have any serious consequences in healthy people.
It's not the Black Death (c. 1350ad) nor Bubonic Plague (c.1600's).

point nine one eight wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:58 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:30 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:30 pm A possible case of coronavirus in Canary Wharf

I'm praying just as hard for the city wankers as I am for the ski wankers.

In the meantime close down the South Stand, got second my second dose of flu on saturday there

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:59 pm

Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:28 pm Crikey chaps, Coronavirus is a relatively mild disease, and should not have any serious consequences in healthy people.
It's not the Black Death (c. 1350ad) nor Bubonic Plague (c.1600's).

Excactly. It is just God's way of rooting out the weak.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:36 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:30 pm A possible case of coronavirus in Canary Wharf

Rather frightening isnt it, especially to those people who are very vulnerable with low immune systems which includes some in my own own circle of friends and relatives.
Is this the news you speak of ? Canary Wharf office of US oil company Chevron sends home 300 workers over coronavirus fears after employee reports flu-like symptoms https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... &si=744904

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:32 am FACT- one is 20x more dangerous than the other.

BigDaddyO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:17 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:32 am FACT- one is 20x more dangerous than the other.

I'm afraid that's not quite right.

It appears that one has a higher death rate than the other, but this is actually misleading.

You have to factor in how many people are being infected as well. Coronavirus seems to be fairly infectious but compared to the flu, which kills well over 500,000 people every year and probably infects as many as 10 - 50 million, it's really nothing to be worried about as long as you are fit and healthy (not over 75, not under 10 and non-asthmatic).

It's also worth noting that many, many people will have the virus with only mild symptoms, and will therefore not go to the doctor be diagnosed.

As a result we see 100% of all the coronavirus deaths in the news each day, but only an estimate of how many people have been infected. Add to that the fact that the virus will spread quickly in places like hospitals, where people ted to be older and unwell - this further increases the death rate despite the disease not being as dangerous to healthy adults.

Eamonn Holmes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:58 pm

BigDaddyO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:17 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:32 am FACT- one is 20x more dangerous than the other.

I'm afraid that's not quite right.

It appears that one has a higher death rate than the other, but this is actually misleading.

You have to factor in how many people are being infected as well. Coronavirus seems to be fairly infectious but compared to the flu, which kills well over 500,000 people every year and probably infects as many as 10 - 50 million, it's really nothing to be worried about as long as you are fit and healthy (not over 75, not under 10 and non-asthmatic).

It's also worth noting that many, many people will have the virus with only mild symptoms, and will therefore not go to the doctor be diagnosed.

As a result we see 100% of all the coronavirus deaths in the news each day, but only an estimate of how many people have been infected. Add to that the fact that the virus will spread quickly in places like hospitals, where people ted to be older and unwell - this further increases the death rate despite the disease not being as dangerous to healthy adults.

Partly true but many outside the area of people who you highlighted as most at risk have also died, most notably the ''Whistleblower'' doctor Li Wenliang, aged just 34 years old, who recently died of Coronavirus.

Eamonn Holmes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:58 pm

BigDaddyO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:17 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:32 am FACT- one is 20x more dangerous than the other.

I'm afraid that's not quite right.

It appears that one has a higher death rate than the other, but this is actually misleading.

You have to factor in how many people are being infected as well. Coronavirus seems to be fairly infectious but compared to the flu, which kills well over 500,000 people every year and probably infects as many as 10 - 50 million, it's really nothing to be worried about as long as you are fit and healthy (not over 75, not under 10 and non-asthmatic).

It's also worth noting that many, many people will have the virus with only mild symptoms, and will therefore not go to the doctor be diagnosed.

As a result we see 100% of all the coronavirus deaths in the news each day, but only an estimate of how many people have been infected. Add to that the fact that the virus will spread quickly in places like hospitals, where people ted to be older and unwell - this further increases the death rate despite the disease not being as dangerous to healthy adults.

Partly true but many outside the area of people who you highlighted as most at risk have also died, most notably the ''Whistleblower'' doctor Li Wenliang, aged just 34 years old, who recently died of Coronavirus.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:44 pm

Eamonn Holmes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:58 pm

BigDaddyO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:17 pm

I'm afraid that's not quite right.

It appears that one has a higher death rate than the other, but this is actually misleading.

You have to factor in how many people are being infected as well. Coronavirus seems to be fairly infectious but compared to the flu, which kills well over 500,000 people every year and probably infects as many as 10 - 50 million, it's really nothing to be worried about as long as you are fit and healthy (not over 75, not under 10 and non-asthmatic).

It's also worth noting that many, many people will have the virus with only mild symptoms, and will therefore not go to the doctor be diagnosed.

As a result we see 100% of all the coronavirus deaths in the news each day, but only an estimate of how many people have been infected. Add to that the fact that the virus will spread quickly in places like hospitals, where people ted to be older and unwell - this further increases the death rate despite the disease not being as dangerous to healthy adults.

Partly true but many outside the area of people who you highlighted as most at risk have also died, most notably the ''Whistleblower'' doctor Li Wenliang, aged just 34 years old, who recently died of Coronavirus.

Yeah sure he did.

Eamonn Holmes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:58 pm

BigDaddyO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:17 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:32 am FACT- one is 20x more dangerous than the other.

I'm afraid that's not quite right.

It appears that one has a higher death rate than the other, but this is actually misleading.

You have to factor in how many people are being infected as well. Coronavirus seems to be fairly infectious but compared to the flu, which kills well over 500,000 people every year and probably infects as many as 10 - 50 million, it's really nothing to be worried about as long as you are fit and healthy (not over 75, not under 10 and non-asthmatic).

It's also worth noting that many, many people will have the virus with only mild symptoms, and will therefore not go to the doctor be diagnosed.

As a result we see 100% of all the coronavirus deaths in the news each day, but only an estimate of how many people have been infected. Add to that the fact that the virus will spread quickly in places like hospitals, where people ted to be older and unwell - this further increases the death rate despite the disease not being as dangerous to healthy adults.

Partly true but many outside the area of people who you highlighted as most at risk have also died, most notably the ''Whistleblower'' doctor Li Wenliang, aged just 34 years old, who recently died of Coronavirus.

BigDaddyO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:58 pm

Eamonn Holmes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:58 pm

BigDaddyO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:17 pm

I'm afraid that's not quite right.

It appears that one has a higher death rate than the other, but this is actually misleading.

You have to factor in how many people are being infected as well. Coronavirus seems to be fairly infectious but compared to the flu, which kills well over 500,000 people every year and probably infects as many as 10 - 50 million, it's really nothing to be worried about as long as you are fit and healthy (not over 75, not under 10 and non-asthmatic).

It's also worth noting that many, many people will have the virus with only mild symptoms, and will therefore not go to the doctor be diagnosed.

As a result we see 100% of all the coronavirus deaths in the news each day, but only an estimate of how many people have been infected. Add to that the fact that the virus will spread quickly in places like hospitals, where people ted to be older and unwell - this further increases the death rate despite the disease not being as dangerous to healthy adults.

Partly true but many outside the area of people who you highlighted as most at risk have also died, most notably the ''Whistleblower'' doctor Li Wenliang, aged just 34 years old, who recently died of Coronavirus.

I don't have any evidence on this, but I would bet a fair old wedge that Li Wenliang was not killed by coronavirus...

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:53 pm

BigDaddyO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:58 pm

Eamonn Holmes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:58 pm

Partly true but many outside the area of people who you highlighted as most at risk have also died, most notably the ''Whistleblower'' doctor Li Wenliang, aged just 34 years old, who recently died of Coronavirus.

I don't have any evidence on this, but I would bet a fair old wedge that Li Wenliang was not killed by coronavirus...

Course he weren't. Nobody likes a grass less than the Chinese Communist Party.