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I have never said humans as sentient beings should not be killed for food or any other reason.VeganO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:39 pmYour arguments get ever more ridiculous. We are entitled in your view to kill sentient animals for food but presumably not other sentient beings - humans.
Utterly illogical. All sentient beings are entitled to not be killed for food in my view. I make no distinction.
You believe that the killing of a human is not wrong? Um, ok.tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:32 pmVeganO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:39 pmYour arguments get ever more ridiculous. We are entitled in your view to kill sentient animals for food but presumably not other sentient beings - humans.
Utterly illogical. All sentient beings are entitled to not be killed for food in my view. I make no distinction.
I believe the taking of a human life is something that happens , not immoral or wrong etc.
The only time i believe it is wrong is when a state or govt
tell it should be so.
You believe that the killing of a human is not wrong? Um, ok.tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:32 pmVeganO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:39 pmYour arguments get ever more ridiculous. We are entitled in your view to kill sentient animals for food but presumably not other sentient beings - humans.
Utterly illogical. All sentient beings are entitled to not be killed for food in my view. I make no distinction.
I believe the taking of a human life is something that happens , not immoral or wrong etc.
The only time i believe it is wrong is when a state or govt
tell it should be so.
Stowaway wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:00 pm I eat fish and seafood but mostly my diet is vegetarian.
It’s partly a health thing, but mostly because I think that perhaps humans have reached a point in our development that we no longer need to kill animals for food. I can’t see how anyone can disagree with that.
I’m not saying I don’t miss meat sometimes, because there’s very little in the veggie diet that can match the texture of meat, but I don’t think the cruelty aspect is worth being able to chew hard once in a while.
One thing you hear is that bacon is the thing that vegetarians miss most. For me it was sausages, and I don’t actually miss bacon at all.
A bonus for me is that my cooking skills have improved hugely. You generally have to make more of an effort with spices and seasoning but it’s worth it. Tonight’s supper was a massaman curry, using sweet potato/potato/red pepper and green beans instead of beef. My first attempt and it was bloody ace.
If you came home & found a man assaulting fiddling with your 10 year old child &Stowaway wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:02 pmYou believe that the killing of a human is not wrong? Um, ok.tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:32 pmVeganO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:39 pm
Your arguments get ever more ridiculous. We are entitled in your view to kill sentient animals for food but presumably not other sentient beings - humans.
Utterly illogical. All sentient beings are entitled to not be killed for food in my view. I make no distinction.
I believe the taking of a human life is something that happens , not immoral or wrong etc.
The only time i believe it is wrong is when a state or govt
tell it should be so.
You’re a bit weird, aren’t you?
If you came home & found a man assaulting fiddling with your 10 year old child &Stowaway wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:02 pmYou believe that the killing of a human is not wrong? Um, ok.tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:32 pmVeganO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:39 pm
Your arguments get ever more ridiculous. We are entitled in your view to kill sentient animals for food but presumably not other sentient beings - humans.
Utterly illogical. All sentient beings are entitled to not be killed for food in my view. I make no distinction.
I believe the taking of a human life is something that happens , not immoral or wrong etc.
The only time i believe it is wrong is when a state or govt
tell it should be so.
You’re a bit weird, aren’t you?
Tofu, Tempeh and Edamame Seitan Lentils Chickpeas and Most Varieties of Beans Nutritional Yeast Spelt and Teff Hempseed Spirulina to name but a fewMillennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:18 pm Be interested to know how the vegans/occasional meat eaters on here manage to get enough protein and what alternative sources they use
It shouldn’t be, god told us not to, it’s in the 10 commandments.tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:50 pmIf you came home & found a man assaulting fiddling with your 10 year old child &
You had a hammer in your hand , would you not impale the hammer into the skull of the
Perpetrator ?
Or any member of your family being beaten demeaned etc ?
I dont mean randomly just kill someone for the sake of it .
Humans kill
Its in us to do so .
It is not for me to apportion guilt to someone who takes a life .
Human beings have taken themselves away from what we are in the
pursuit of civilisation .
Yet we can send millions to there death in the name of war or freedom &
Not really care because we can wallow in the glory of victory.
" I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Matthew 19:23-26Thor wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:02 amIt shouldn’t be, god told us not to, it’s in the 10 commandments.tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:50 pmIf you came home & found a man assaulting fiddling with your 10 year old child &
You had a hammer in your hand , would you not impale the hammer into the skull of the
Perpetrator ?
Or any member of your family being beaten demeaned etc ?
I dont mean randomly just kill someone for the sake of it .
Humans kill
Its in us to do so .
It is not for me to apportion guilt to someone who takes a life .
Human beings have taken themselves away from what we are in the
pursuit of civilisation .
Yet we can send millions to there death in the name of war or freedom &
Not really care because we can wallow in the glory of victory.
Chickens are routinely slaughtered at 6-8 weeks oldChicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:59 pm We sometimes have red meat, not very often though, but we positively will not eat Lamb or Veal, or anything killed as a baby.
Absolutely horrendous. It's mainly chicken and fish that we eat, but I must say that I do like Linda McCartney vegetarian
sausages.
I'm told that vitamin B12 can be an issue for vegans, so my daughter takes a supplement, but he also tells me its an issue for non-vegans as the fertilisers used these days have washed a lot of the B12 from the agricultural system.Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:18 pm Be interested to know how the vegans/occasional meat eaters on here manage to get enough protein and what alternative sources they use
She's wise to supplement, B12 defeciency amongst Vegans differ study to study but is consistently above 50%. For meat eaters it is a negligible amountLittleMate wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:43 pmI'm told that vitamin B12 can be an issue for vegans, so my daughter takes a supplement, but he also tells me its an issue for non-vegans as the fertilisers used these days have washed a lot of the B12 from the agricultural system.Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:18 pm Be interested to know how the vegans/occasional meat eaters on here manage to get enough protein and what alternative sources they use
Ok, tyDigby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:14 pmShe's wise to supplement, B12 defeciency amongst Vegans differ study to study but is consistently above 50%. For meat eaters it is a negligible amountLittleMate wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:43 pmI'm told that vitamin B12 can be an issue for vegans, so my daughter takes a supplement, but he also tells me its an issue for non-vegans as the fertilisers used these days have washed a lot of the B12 from the agricultural system.Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:18 pm Be interested to know how the vegans/occasional meat eaters on here manage to get enough protein and what alternative sources they use
The fertiliser issue deprives plants of B12 which becomes an issue for vegans not meat eaters. Omnivores get copious amounts of B12 from eating animal products
None of those have anywhere near as much protein as meat though, and plant-based protein is inferior to animal-based protein.PhoenixO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:25 pmTofu, Tempeh and Edamame Seitan Lentils Chickpeas and Most Varieties of Beans Nutritional Yeast Spelt and Teff Hempseed Spirulina to name but a fewMillennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:18 pm Be interested to know how the vegans/occasional meat eaters on here manage to get enough protein and what alternative sources they use
The absolute state of most peoples diets, and people have the nerve to query where a vegan is getting all their requirements from.Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:12 pmNone of those have anywhere near as much protein as meat though, and plant-based protein is inferior to animal-based protein.PhoenixO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:25 pmTofu, Tempeh and Edamame Seitan Lentils Chickpeas and Most Varieties of Beans Nutritional Yeast Spelt and Teff Hempseed Spirulina to name but a fewMillennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:18 pm Be interested to know how the vegans/occasional meat eaters on here manage to get enough protein and what alternative sources they use
