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Early reports that Chuka Ummuna has quit the Lib Dems to join the SNP.

Top of the West. wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:56 pm I agree about Osbourne and Balls really good insightful comment. ITV have by far the best team.

If the polls are correct then it's probably a crossroads for labour, momentum will want to keep a hard left stance but many Labour Party members and MPs will want to move further toward the centre given that it could be another backward election.

Could be a split in the party that leads to two separate parties?

Could happen, problem is that as history has shown, Labour supporters in many areas of UK vote out of habit for the red rosette rather than looking into what the actual policy's of the Labour party are and how good their candidates are. So even if a new type of splinter Labour type party was formed, as happened with the SDP, any new party will fail.

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:59 pm Early reports that Chuka Ummuna has quit the Lib Dems to join the SNP.

So funny !!

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:55 pm It is ALL supposition at the moment, no results in and I shall be REALLY surprised if these exit polls are correct. To me all to play for, too many things may alter as the night goes on to declare one way or another ! As to the type of leadership of the Labour Party changing, I cannot see that happening at all as the voting will be controlled by the members, many of whom are of the hard left Momentum group. The Labour party is NOT the Labour party of old, it has been hijacked by the hard left group Momentum. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum_(organisation)

Historically the exit polls have been pretty accurate, in fact they tend to slightly underpredict the tories.

Blyth Valley to tories. That'll set the tone for a labour decimation

Yep. Boris's pact with Farage helped with that.

Adz wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:37 pm Blyth Valley to tories. That'll set the tone for a labour decimation

It’s the end of the world as we know it.

Tories not actually picking up a great deal of votes in comparison, but Brexit Party taking plenty off Labour. Their strategy has worked perfectly. Makes Corbyn's decision to not campaign in the North East look even more ridiculous.

Be interesting to see if Labours vote collapses in the south......I suspect it wont

Huxley wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:39 pm

Adz wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:37 pm Blyth Valley to tories. That'll set the tone for a labour decimation

It’s the end of the world as we know it.

That's a shocker. People have dumped Labour to get their Brexit.
A Tory MP for Blyth FFS!!!

Milano wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:42 pm

Huxley wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:39 pm

Adz wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:37 pm Blyth Valley to tories. That'll set the tone for a labour decimation

It’s the end of the world as we know it.

That's a shocker. People have dumped Labour to get their Brexit.
A Tory MP for Blyth FFS!!!

Can only hope that Brexit delivers the wonders it promises to all these voters in working class northern towns.

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:59 pm Early reports that Chuka Ummuna has quit the Lib Dems to join the SNP.

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:40 pm Be interesting to see if Labours vote collapses in the south......I suspect it wont

Actually , I suspect it will .

Huxley wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:44 pm

Milano wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:42 pm

Huxley wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:39 pm

It’s the end of the world as we know it.

That's a shocker. People have dumped Labour to get their Brexit.
A Tory MP for Blyth FFS!!!

Can only hope that Brexit delivers the wonders it promises to all these voters in working class northern towns.

Time will tell, but I can only think that the turkeys have voted for christmas and in 5 years time there'll be a big swing back.

Jon Lansman nicely summing up Labour's problem just now: "voters in Putney are not horrified by Corbyn." Middle-class Corbyn lovers in the London bubble are not representative of the UK working class.

Corbyn and Novara Media will keep on posting funny memes on Twitter though, so it's all good. f*** right off with your stupid cult.

Adz wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:56 pm

Huxley wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:44 pm

Milano wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:42 pm

That's a shocker. People have dumped Labour to get their Brexit.
A Tory MP for Blyth FFS!!!

Can only hope that Brexit delivers the wonders it promises to all these voters in working class northern towns.

Time will tell, but I can only think that the turkeys have voted for christmas and in 5 years time there'll be a big swing back.

Possibly.

Momentum bloke getting disembowelled on ITV at the moment. Balls giving the boot in whilst Osbourne smirks away.

Can’t deny that this is entertaining.

"Time will tell, but I can only think that the turkeys have voted for christmas and in 5 years time there'll be a big swing back."

Trouble is: in 5 years time the Tories could have reduced constituencies with calculated impact on Labour.
The Tory party manifesto also gave indication of plans to review power of the supreme court and TV franchises. The basis for democracy and fair elections could have substantially altered.

Surprisingly quiet on here tonight.

Turning in myself now.

Will wake up tomorrow ready for a new era of rule under our majority Tory overlords.

Night comrades.

Words can't summarise how angry I am at Corbyn for acting as Johnson's enabler. It took the worst campaign of living memory to only deny the Tories a majority with May. And yet the Labour party stuck with him.

I will never forgive Corbyn for lacking the humility to realise he could never win, even against the least popular new PM for decades. Whatever remains of the post war state is about to be dismantled. But at least Labour stayed pure right? At least the electorate weren't subjected to a plausible centre left offer.

I was always told that Corbyn was necessary as there no difference between a post Blair Labour and the Tories. Well enjoy a hard Brexit you numpties. The NHS, whatever remains of the welfare state, environmental standards, a decent education for kids, a semblance of sanity in housing, staying in the single market - they're all gone. You wanted your backbench, intellectually limited purist, and we got smashed. And worst of all, you'll just blame the electorate, and won't recognise that Corbyn was a totally implausible incompetent that could never win.

If he’d been able to get behind Leave, it would all be so different.

Which he should have been able to do as he's the only pro-Brexit leader of all the main parties but lacked the balls to say it or the intellectual capacity to articulate a position that brought voters together.

Still, at least he'll get his wish of us leaving the EU.

Milano wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:42 pm

Huxley wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:39 pm

Adz wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:37 pm Blyth Valley to tories. That'll set the tone for a labour decimation

It’s the end of the world as we know it.

That's a shocker. People have dumped Labour to get their Brexit.
A Tory MP for Blyth FFS!!!

The grass is back.

RedO wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:16 am If he’d been able to get behind Leave, it would all be so different.

Time to quit the schtick. Corbyn, McDonnell and the rest of ‘the movement’ as he described it need to be confined to the Labour dustbin. This Marxist polemic is dead and buried. Only Blairite Labour can make it electable again.

These fools have allowed such dangerous lying incompetents to romp home.

THAT is Corbyn’s legacy.

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:35 pm

Huxley wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:23 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:20 pm

He looks totally deflated. Putting in a shift, but with about as much enthusiasm as me heading off for a colonoscopy.

He’s not really wrong about this election being about Brexit.

Andrew Neil is right though, it’s the end of Corbynism.

They gave it a go but now we’ll see the Labour Party shift back to the centre ground.

If exit poll holds, of course he'll step down.

But us members wont' be dragged back to a tory lite party. It won't happen.

So vote Tory itself, as that is what this nihilistic attitude will result in anyway.

Waking up to the news about Jo Swinson. Surely we can all unite in that.