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Tuffers please understand that there is a difference between an end and the means used to get to that end.
Does believing a country has a right to exist , mean that you attempt to cause genocide on the original inhabitants of the place where the new country now stands ?Red_Army wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:23 pmTuffers please understand that there is a difference between an end and the means used to get to that end.
Believing that Israel has a right to exist does not mean that you agree with methods used to achieve that, or the actions taken since it was achieved.
I am a Zionist and for that reason I want Israel to be a better country.
Oh my word you really just do not understand what I am saying do you.tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:30 pmDoes believing a country has a right to exist , mean that you attempt to cause genocide on the original inhabitants of the place where the new country now stands ?Red_Army wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:23 pmTuffers please understand that there is a difference between an end and the means used to get to that end.
Believing that Israel has a right to exist does not mean that you agree with methods used to achieve that, or the actions taken since it was achieved.
I am a Zionist and for that reason I want Israel to be a better country.
Especially given that the new country was given a safe haven because someone tried to commit genocide on the inhabitants of the New nation , on the same land the old nation once stood.
I understand fully what you are saying.Red_Army wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:36 pmOh my word you really just do not understand what I am saying do you.tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:30 pmDoes believing a country has a right to exist , mean that you attempt to cause genocide on the original inhabitants of the place where the new country now stands ?Red_Army wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:23 pm
Tuffers please understand that there is a difference between an end and the means used to get to that end.
Believing that Israel has a right to exist does not mean that you agree with methods used to achieve that, or the actions taken since it was achieved.
I am a Zionist and for that reason I want Israel to be a better country.
Especially given that the new country was given a safe haven because someone tried to commit genocide on the inhabitants of the New nation , on the same land the old nation once stood.
Being a Zionist doesn't mean you have to support their every action or even any of them.
Ok, Bigot, answer me this, if you think this is just about Israel's expulsion of the Palestinians, it isn't they were not expelled,ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:50 pmIt is not historically wrong, not is it ott.
This is factual.
Do you think the Palestinians just walked out of their land,so Israel could exist?.
"Israel uses anti-semetism to hide much ."tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:43 pmI understand fully what you are saying.Red_Army wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:36 pmOh my word you really just do not understand what I am saying do you.tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:30 pm
Does believing a country has a right to exist , mean that you attempt to cause genocide on the original inhabitants of the place where the new country now stands ?
Especially given that the new country was given a safe haven because someone tried to commit genocide on the inhabitants of the New nation , on the same land the old nation once stood.
Being a Zionist doesn't mean you have to support their every action or even any of them.
I dont think you have got to where i am at.
I dont particularly have a problem with Israel other than this . They are the only country in the world that has a written constitution that stops others from criticising them . If you do you are open to be called an anti-semite.
Israel uses anti-semetism to hide much .
Judaism as a religon does not hide anything.
There is a major difference between the 2 .
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Update.
Let me correct that statement not a constitution.
It was written either as part of the laws of
Or in the declaration.
Let me find the piece & i will come back to correct myself fully.
Israel's status as a representative democracy has also been questioned because Israeli residents of the occupied territories are allowed to vote in Israel's elections while Palestinian residents are not. Another source of criticism is the friction generated by the conversion issue between Israel's Orthodox rabbinate and non-Orthodox segments of the Jewish diaspora. At one end of the spectrum are attempts to delegitimize Israel's right to exist. This has led to an ongoing debate regarding at what point criticism of Israel crosses the line to antisemitism. One of the effects of international criticism has been the impact on social psychology of the Israeli Jewish public - according to a survey more than half of Israelis believe "the whole world is against us", and three quarters of Israelis believe "that no matter what Israel does or how far it goes towards resolving the conflict with the Palestinians, the world will continue to criticize Israel".
What has any of that got to do with your nasty claim that Israel uses antisemitism?tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:09 pmIsrael's status as a representative democracy has also been questioned because Israeli residents of the occupied territories are allowed to vote in Israel's elections while Palestinian residents are not. Another source of criticism is the friction generated by the conversion issue between Israel's Orthodox rabbinate and non-Orthodox segments of the Jewish diaspora. At one end of the spectrum are attempts to delegitimize Israel's right to exist. This has led to an ongoing debate regarding at what point criticism of Israel crosses the line to antisemitism. One of the effects of international criticism has been the impact on social psychology of the Israeli Jewish public - according to a survey more than half of Israelis believe "the whole world is against us", and three quarters of Israelis believe "that no matter what Israel does or how far it goes towards resolving the conflict with the Palestinians, the world will continue to criticize Israel".Red_Army wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:05 pm"Israel uses anti-semetism to hide much ."tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:43 pm
I understand fully what you are saying.
I dont think you have got to where i am at.
I dont particularly have a problem with Israel other than this . They are the only country in the world that has a written constitution that stops others from criticising them . If you do you are open to be called an anti-semite.
Israel uses anti-semetism to hide much .
Judaism as a religon does not hide anything.
There is a major difference between the 2 .
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Update.
Let me correct that statement not a constitution.
It was written either as part of the laws of
Or in the declaration.
Let me find the piece & i will come back to correct myself fully.
I mean that's a pretty shameful and disgusting thing to post isn't it.
Criticisms of Israeli policies come from several groups: primarily from activists, within Israel and worldwide, the United Nations and other non-governmental organizations including European churches, and mass media. Media bias is often claimed by both sides of the debate. Since 2003, the UN has issued 232 resolutions with respect to Israel, 40% of all resolutions issued by the UN over the period and more than six times that of the second placed country, Sudan.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critici ... prov=sfla1
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Is it ?
It happens within Israel by Jews .
Why?Red_Army wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:05 pm"Israel uses anti-semetism to hide much ."tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:43 pmI understand fully what you are saying.
I dont think you have got to where i am at.
I dont particularly have a problem with Israel other than this . They are the only country in the world that has a written constitution that stops others from criticising them . If you do you are open to be called an anti-semite.
Israel uses anti-semetism to hide much .
Judaism as a religon does not hide anything.
There is a major difference between the 2 .
==========================================
Update.
Let me correct that statement not a constitution.
It was written either as part of the laws of
Or in the declaration.
Let me find the piece & i will come back to correct myself fully.
I mean that's a pretty shameful and disgusting thing to post isn't it.
I have not said Israel uses antisemetism .Red_Army wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:37 pmWhat has any of that got to do with your nasty claim that Israel uses antisemitism?tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:09 pmIsrael's status as a representative democracy has also been questioned because Israeli residents of the occupied territories are allowed to vote in Israel's elections while Palestinian residents are not. Another source of criticism is the friction generated by the conversion issue between Israel's Orthodox rabbinate and non-Orthodox segments of the Jewish diaspora. At one end of the spectrum are attempts to delegitimize Israel's right to exist. This has led to an ongoing debate regarding at what point criticism of Israel crosses the line to antisemitism. One of the effects of international criticism has been the impact on social psychology of the Israeli Jewish public - according to a survey more than half of Israelis believe "the whole world is against us", and three quarters of Israelis believe "that no matter what Israel does or how far it goes towards resolving the conflict with the Palestinians, the world will continue to criticize Israel".
Criticisms of Israeli policies come from several groups: primarily from activists, within Israel and worldwide, the United Nations and other non-governmental organizations including European churches, and mass media. Media bias is often claimed by both sides of the debate. Since 2003, the UN has issued 232 resolutions with respect to Israel, 40% of all resolutions issued by the UN over the period and more than six times that of the second placed country, Sudan.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critici ... prov=sfla1
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Is it ?
It happens within Israel by Jews .
Tha last paragraph says it all.Redcard wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:09 pm The Palestinians claim that 600,00 fled in 1948, but what happened was that they were asked to leave so that the attacking Arab armies who did not accept the generous division of Palestine they were given could have a free passage and kill the Jews.
They lost and thus came about the initial refugees.
What doesn’t get acknowledged is that a million Jews who had lived in Arab countries for centuries were attacked killed, had their property stolen and fled. The difference being that the Palestinian refugees were kept in camps, denied citizenship while Israel welcomed their brethren.
As for tuffers assertion that today’s invented Palestinians were the original inhabitants is nonsense , Jews have lived there for close to 4000 years and in the days when Britain ruled Palestine more Arabs emigrated to Palestine than Jews.
The problem with the Arabs is that they do not recognize Israel’s right to exist and as a result of each attempt to destroy Israel they lose a bit more. Tough.
Yeah mate that's a pretty disgusting thing to sign off on.Redcard wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:09 pm The Palestinians claim that 600,00 fled in 1948, but what happened was that they were asked to leave so that the attacking Arab armies who did not accept the generous division of Palestine they were given could have a free passage and kill the Jews.
They lost and thus came about the initial refugees.
What doesn’t get acknowledged is that a million Jews who had lived in Arab countries for centuries were attacked killed, had their property stolen and fled. The difference being that the Palestinian refugees were kept in camps, denied citizenship while Israel welcomed their brethren.
As for tuffers assertion that today’s invented Palestinians were the original inhabitants is nonsense , Jews have lived there for close to 4000 years and in the days when Britain ruled Palestine more Arabs emigrated to Palestine than Jews.
The problem with the Arabs is that they do not recognize Israel’s right to exist and as a result of each attempt to destroy Israel they lose a bit more. Tough.
Here it is in black and white- "Israel uses anti-semetism to hide much ."tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:56 pmI have not said Israel uses antisemetism .Red_Army wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:37 pmWhat has any of that got to do with your nasty claim that Israel uses antisemitism?tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:09 pm
Israel's status as a representative democracy has also been questioned because Israeli residents of the occupied territories are allowed to vote in Israel's elections while Palestinian residents are not. Another source of criticism is the friction generated by the conversion issue between Israel's Orthodox rabbinate and non-Orthodox segments of the Jewish diaspora. At one end of the spectrum are attempts to delegitimize Israel's right to exist. This has led to an ongoing debate regarding at what point criticism of Israel crosses the line to antisemitism. One of the effects of international criticism has been the impact on social psychology of the Israeli Jewish public - according to a survey more than half of Israelis believe "the whole world is against us", and three quarters of Israelis believe "that no matter what Israel does or how far it goes towards resolving the conflict with the Palestinians, the world will continue to criticize Israel".
Criticisms of Israeli policies come from several groups: primarily from activists, within Israel and worldwide, the United Nations and other non-governmental organizations including European churches, and mass media. Media bias is often claimed by both sides of the debate. Since 2003, the UN has issued 232 resolutions with respect to Israel, 40% of all resolutions issued by the UN over the period and more than six times that of the second placed country, Sudan.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critici ... prov=sfla1
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Is it ?
It happens within Israel by Jews .
Please show me EXACTLY where i said that ?
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:43 pmI understand fully what you are saying.Red_Army wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:36 pmOh my word you really just do not understand what I am saying do you.tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:30 pm
Does believing a country has a right to exist , mean that you attempt to cause genocide on the original inhabitants of the place where the new country now stands ?
Especially given that the new country was given a safe haven because someone tried to commit genocide on the inhabitants of the New nation , on the same land the old nation once stood.
Being a Zionist doesn't mean you have to support their every action or even any of them.
I dont think you have got to where i am at.
I dont particularly have a problem with Israel other than this . They are the only country in the world that has a written constitution that stops others from criticising them . If you do you are open to be called an anti-semite.
Israel uses anti-semetism to hide much .
Judaism as a religon does not hide anything.
There is a major difference between the 2 .
==========================================
Update.
Let me correct that statement not a constitution.
It was written either as part of the laws of
Or in the declaration.
Let me find the piece & i will come back to correct myself fully.
Since 2003 , 232 un resolutions have been passed against Israel