Independent Leyton Orient Forum

spen666 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:43 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:31 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:55 pm £400 is a lot of money to someone on £14k. I never said that you are a Corbyn disciple, nor have I suggested that you think people 80k won’t pay more tax. I was just highlighting that there is a potential deduction for people as per the Andrew Neil example.

The money advisory service says he ave cost to power a home with gas and elec is £1,254 I’ve just looked it up so let’s use this figure. That’s 30% of their fuel bill taken away from them, fuel is one of the issues in this election and labour has a policy of renationalising the energy sector. Powering a home is important to everyone, with winter here to lose £400 quid which they will need to cut back elsewhere to pay their fuel bill suggests it’s a large amount.

Remember Labour want to reduce energy costs yet by taking that away it will make it harder for them to pay for their fuel as an example.

One would imagine that Andrew Neils imaginary well-off pensioner will soon be benefiting from an increase in their state pension and continued service from the NHS, so don't cry for them too much.

That is a different issue to the manifesto lie that no one earning under £80k will pay more tax

spen666 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:43 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:31 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:55 pm £400 is a lot of money to someone on £14k. I never said that you are a Corbyn disciple, nor have I suggested that you think people 80k won’t pay more tax. I was just highlighting that there is a potential deduction for people as per the Andrew Neil example.

The money advisory service says he ave cost to power a home with gas and elec is £1,254 I’ve just looked it up so let’s use this figure. That’s 30% of their fuel bill taken away from them, fuel is one of the issues in this election and labour has a policy of renationalising the energy sector. Powering a home is important to everyone, with winter here to lose £400 quid which they will need to cut back elsewhere to pay their fuel bill suggests it’s a large amount.

Remember Labour want to reduce energy costs yet by taking that away it will make it harder for them to pay for their fuel as an example.

One would imagine that Andrew Neils imaginary well-off pensioner will soon be benefiting from an increase in their state pension and continued service from the NHS, so don't cry for them too much.

That is a different issue to the manifesto lie that no one earning under £80k will pay more tax

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:45 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:43 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:31 pm

One would imagine that Andrew Neils imaginary well-off pensioner will soon be benefiting from an increase in their state pension and continued service from the NHS, so don't cry for them too much.

That is a different issue to the manifesto lie that no one earning under £80k will pay more tax

Lie? Grow up.

to say or write something that is not true in order to deceive someone

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:13 pm I think they probably just didnt think of the scenario where a pensioner is living off dividends. Which is of course going to be a tiny minority of people, but thickos will read it as "anyone earning 14k has to pay £400 more tax", so job done I suppose.

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:18 pm FFS, I'm gonna have to go all spen about this.

Definition of earnings - the amount of money that someone is paid for working.

Therefore, dividend income, nor bank interest, nor capital gains, do not fall under this definition.

There is no lie.

But hey, let's keep on looking at the minutia of Labours manifesto whilst others get off scot free and sell the NHS from under us. Good work, guys.

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:34 pm But it is taken in to consideration to work out earnings and thus apply a tax rate to apply to the individual.

Don’t forget the married couple allowance will be withdrawn as well.

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:42 pm What HMRC tax people on, or not, is irrelevant.

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dOh Nut wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:49 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:34 pm But it is taken in to consideration to work out earnings and thus apply a tax rate to apply to the individual.

Don’t forget the married couple allowance will be withdrawn as well.

It don’t matter how you slice it, Corbyn was seen to be, let’s be kind, deceptive on a number of fronts and incompetent on others.

But nothing many of us knew already.

The sooner Labour get a new leader the better. Same goes for the Tories.

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:25 pm But earnings - money received from work - are different to investment income - money received from investments held. This is basic stuff.

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:25 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:49 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:34 pm But it is taken in to consideration to work out earnings and thus apply a tax rate to apply to the individual.

Don’t forget the married couple allowance will be withdrawn as well.

It don’t matter how you slice it, Corbyn was seen to be, let’s be kind, deceptive on a number of fronts and incompetent on others.

But nothing many of us knew already.

The sooner Labour get a new leader the better. Same goes for the Tories.

Oh do f*** off you clown

West Side Story wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:07 pm For all those boarders who say what will Neil do with Corbyn? Don't hold your breath. Once again BoJo is frit. He has not confirmed that he will be grilled by Andrew Neil. He doesn't want a 20 car pile up. Yet people still have high regard for the Smirking, Lying, Devious Idiot.

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:42 pm ...spenantics...