Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:48 am**

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:16 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:43 pm It's not a sensible debate, it's a bunch of thick old men talking bollocks.
Stop critising people who don’t have fresh air between their ears like you. If you can’t keep up, shame. Now go away and play with your rattle.

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Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:58 am**

I don’t agree with the narrative of ling throwing Ross under the boss. You can tell he has great affection for him and that just will not happen, if anything ling will back and defend Ross to the hilt like he should do.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:53 am**

Have Man Utd found another Ferguson
That would be a NO then right?
Football is a business, business people make mistakes all the time
Some of you oh so special I know what’s good for the club airheads need to get a grip of reality
It’s for the business end of the club to sort out
not some petty virtual keyboard warriors

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:24 am**

In the main, those advocating Ling should step down are making rational arguments.
I fail to see why they should be termed thickos, moaners, trouble-makers etc

Their opinion is valid, surely? Hence the matter ought to be debated.

Personally, I do think the club seem to have treated Fletcher very badly, and not liked whatever home truths he saw fit to deliver. I was not impressed with Ling's post-sacking comments, or the rumours that Embleton et al, or the players refused to work with him. The worst aspect of this in my opinion is that Carl Fletcher has probably been gagged. This seems grossly unfair - even if he was a numpty he ought not to be the subject of a one-sided narrative.
Whether one likes Ling or not - I think the message sent to the football world is that LOFC are not open to new ideas and only want a yes-man bonehead to be the voice of existing staff.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:33 am**

Mistakes have been made but they arent solely down to M Ling. So why get rid of a man who got us promoted 6 months ago? It just creates more problems.

People are saying that 'experienced managers wont work for us under Ling' but this is just not true. We've has experienced coaches and experienced coaches applied for the job when it was last advertised.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:35 am**

Applied, but were filtered out in favour of automatons.

Unfortunately Carl Fletcher was a rogue robot

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:37 am**

Ling did not get us promoted JE did, false news !

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:42 am**

Lucky7 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:53 am Have Man Utd found another Ferguson
That would be a NO then right?
Football is a business, business people make mistakes all the time
Some of you oh so special I know what’s good for the club airheads need to get a grip of reality
It’s for the business end of the club to sort out
not some petty virtual keyboard warriors

United are paying the price for years of mismanagement at board level and allowing player power to rule over managers. If anything, the board should look at United (they seemed to have taken their model for securing sponsorship deals with all and sundry anyway) and not allow those mistakes to keep happening at Orient too.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:50 am**

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:32 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:14 pm
Tom Chance wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:22 pm

Totally agree Doh. Ling is throwing his mate under the bus to protect himself. Big changes needed throughout the club,
Up until now I've been a supporter of Martin Ling's but I have to agree it's now beginning to look like he's throwing Ross under the bus . Nigel and Kent have got some tough decisions to make .
I’ve been a Ling defender in the main. But I’ve revisited interviews and come to the conclusion Ross is being fed to the lions by Ling in order to save his own arse. To me that is the worst kind of betrayal. Pushing the positives for Ross whilst really being quite selfish. I struggle to view the interviews and come to any other conclusion. Far from Ling being the honest guy owning up when he gets it wrong, he’s covering up his own weaknesses at Ross Embletons expense.

I admire Ross immensely. In the hot seat, giving it a go, taking the flak. Trying to sort out a mess of Lings making. Whilst Ling it seems needs a rest from his hard work. With friends like Ling who needs enemies. Can’t see it any other way.

This is one of the most ridiculous takes on the current situation I've read. Given the writer, I shouldn't be surprised.

Ling is clearly loyal. Some might argue too loyal, and they may have a case. But to suggest he's hanging Ross out to dry is actually offensive.

Lingy clearly, genuinely believes Ross has what it takes. I also reckon Ross may have changed his mind after the post resignation winning run and seeing Fletcher in action and now has a bit more confidence.

You owe Martin an apology for that, it's a disgusting accusation.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:51 am**

ML has confirmed in the new podcast that RE has reconsidered if he wants the role full time. ML believes he can do it and would love him to do it, it just rests on RE believing he can do it.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:27 pm**

Thor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:51 am ML has confirmed in the new podcast that RE has reconsidered if he wants the role full time. ML believes he can do it and would love him to do it, it just rests on RE believing he can do it.

Yes, I heard that.

ML is pinning all his hopes on Ross making a success of this, but - nice guy as Ross is - I'm not sure I see that happening. The failings from his first stint are still there for all to see. The same undroppable players, the same tactics, the same odd and ineffective subs, etc, etc. The fact is, we are a very easy to beat side at the moment.

Ross is not a manager, he doesn't want to be one, but he wants to do the right thing for the club. When ML says he believes he can do it, there is a degree of pressure there. We should be actively looking for a new manager now, not passively hoping Ross will work out.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:54 pm**

Thor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:51 am ML has confirmed in the new podcast that RE has reconsidered if he wants the role full time. ML believes he can do it and would love him to do it, it just rests on RE believing he can do it.

Oh dear, this doesn't look promising. If that is what it is, I just hope RE can turn it around from the sh*t fest we have had to endure over the last few weeks. As much as I sort of enjoyed the second half on Saturday, because we gave it a go, it only really papered over the cracks, as there are deficiencies throughout the team. As long as we can keep out of the 24th spot, that will do for me this season and hope we can rebuild next! I still don't think we will be relegated, but that phrase "too good to go down", doesn't in my opinion apply to us, as recent performances, suggest otherwise.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:13 pm**

I would be happy for RE to continue as long he is backed in January with funds to strengthen the squad as this is the most important thing.
If we win a few games and our League position improved then it would calm the critics .

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:14 pm**

Thor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:51 am ML has confirmed in the new podcast that RE has reconsidered if he wants the role full time. ML believes he can do it and would love him to do it, it just rests on RE believing he can do it.

Whilst he may have said that RE he reconsidered if he wants the the role full time , he did not say in reconsidering that he did want the job full time.
The last statement that Embleton made after the Q&A after the sacking was as follows :

“ A month or so ago I said (while interim head coach) that I didn’t want the job on a permanent basis.I am not going to stand here now and say I want the job, because that would look ridiculous “

There has been no statement from Embleton himself to say that he now has changed his mind and that he now wants the job.
Martin Ling may believe that Embleton can do it , but then again he believed that Davis and Fletcher could do the job and we all know how that turned out.

If Ross Embleton makes a statement that he has reconsidered and he now wants the job then I will accept it having heard it from the man himself, until then my view is that Ling is bullying Embleton into doing the job against his will.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:17 pm**

Do me a favour! Not for one moment do I believe that Ling 'genuinely believes' RE has what it takes to be a successful manager. Can you not see that it's one big juggling act going on in order to save splashing out on a decent manager? Can you also not see that the budget for our management structure is more or less all taken up?

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:42 pm**

Ain't gonna happen lads.

What would be solved by Ling going now?

Travis still needs someone to report to him day-to-day. Macklin's duties lie elsewhere for now.

While Ross is still at the club Lingy would still have influence. Not as if they are gonna stop being friends.

If it is to happen, it has to be a clean break, but I feel it's too expensive and risks the precious culture being messed up if too much change comes too soon.

Summer is more likely, I do believe that we'll have enough to see off relegation, even if it means bringing spending forward into January.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:22 pm**

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:48 am
dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:16 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:43 pm It's not a sensible debate, it's a bunch of thick old men talking bollocks.
Stop critising people who don’t have fresh air between their ears like you. If you can’t keep up, shame. Now go away and play with your rattle.
Ban

A ban for responding in kind to your offensive remark. I suggest you grow a pair, of if that’s not possible stop posting insulting comments.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:32 pm**

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:33 am Mistakes have been made but they arent solely down to M Ling. So why get rid of a man who got us promoted 6 months ago? It just creates more problems.

People are saying that 'experienced managers wont work for us under Ling' but this is just not true. We've has experienced coaches and experienced coaches applied for the job when it was last advertised.

Did I miss something last season?
I thought it was Justin Edinburgh that got us promoted!

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:42 pm**

Perhaps more than one person was responsible?

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:49 pm**

I understood that Ebbsfleet didn't offer more money but there were other reasons. Spoke to an FGR fan after the game, he said Adams excellent this season and destined for a higher league. Would have him back in a heartbeat.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:40 pm**

Look. We know Ling will not step down nor will he be sacked by Travis and Teague. He is here for some time to come.

What needs to be addressed are some of his shortcomings. Travis has already said any new candidate will be invited to Boston to be assessed. Clearly removing that area from Ling is a step forward. T and T taking back a little control because Ling is not up to it. Progress and a rebuke for Ling.

As far as signing players is concerned we need an experienced manager who knows his stuff and can work with Ling on bringing the right players to the club. Sure mistakes can happen but having an experienced guy who knows what he wants will help. Is Ross that man? Not yet in my opinion.

Lings performance in a number of areas has recently been poor. His handling of the manager situation, his interviews, his expecting Ross to cover his arse. Not Director material. T and T will see all this. Private meetings will be had! But for now Ling is safe.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:00 pm**

Nothing is being removed from Ling. Just because NT wants to have people over to Boston doesn't mean he has torn up the process.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:12 pm**

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:40 pm Look. We know Ling will not step down nor will he be sacked by Travis and Teague. He is here for some time to come.

What needs to be addressed are some of his shortcomings. Travis has already said any new candidate will be invited to Boston to be assessed. Clearly removing that area from Ling is a step forward. T and T taking back a little control because Ling is not up to it. Progress and a rebuke for Ling.

As far as signing players is concerned we need an experienced manager who knows his stuff and can work with Ling on bringing the right players to the club. Sure mistakes can happen but having an experienced guy who knows what he wants will help. Is Ross that man? Not yet in my opinion.

Lings performance in a number of areas has recently been poor. His handling of the manager situation, his interviews, his expecting Ross to cover his arse. Not Director material. T and T will see all this. Private meetings will be had! But for now Ling is safe.

I do hope that T&T will see all of which you mentioned and stick to their statements that lessons will be learned and will not permit Ling to bully Embleton into taking the Managers job against his wishes made very clear after Fletcher left.
If Embleton does not want the job and he is willing to cover whilst a New Manager is appointed, then the club should immediately start recruiting a proven, experienced Manager with no caveats without any further unecessary delay.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:55 pm**

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:40 pm Look. We know Ling will not step down nor will he be sacked by Travis and Teague. He is here for some time to come.

What needs to be addressed are some of his shortcomings. Travis has already said any new candidate will be invited to Boston to be assessed. Clearly removing that area from Ling is a step forward. T and T taking back a little control because Ling is not up to it. Progress and a rebuke for Ling.

As far as signing players is concerned we need an experienced manager who knows his stuff and can work with Ling on bringing the right players to the club. Sure mistakes can happen but having an experienced guy who knows what he wants will help. Is Ross that man? Not yet in my opinion.

Lings performance in a number of areas has recently been poor. His handling of the manager situation, his interviews, his expecting Ross to cover his arse. Not Director material. T and T will see all this. Private meetings will be had! But for now Ling is safe.

I go along with most of what you say there dOh. Look, I don't want to see Ling put out of a job, but for the benefit of the club, why not a slight push back in some other made up position with a wage reduction ? And then get this club recruiting properly for our next manager. And we wouldn't have much trouble attracting quality either: London club, fantastic transport links, and great owners...

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:04 pm**

Ling will not step down and he will not be binned, after the balls ups with Davis and Fletcher, that's the last thing T&T will
want to waste their money on.

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