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Thor wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:30 pm Is this the worse start to a life as a manager we've ever had?

How long did Paul Went last, 2-3 weeks

It was a real shame about wenty as you could not wish to meet a nicer man. A proper O as well.

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:38 pm I doubt that Ling is even in the owner's thoughts of being dumped simply because they think the sun shines out of his arse.

This 100%

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:07 pm Fletcher needs to go
Ling doesnt .

Ling needs to go, then we’ll see how Fletcher gets on.

cockhat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:14 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:07 pm Fletcher needs to go
Ling doesnt .

Ling needs to go, then we’ll see how Fletcher gets on.

Fletchers inability is f*ck all to do with Ling.
If it was Justin Edinburgh would have suffered a similar fete.

Now go away & stop being a numpty

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:01 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:58 pm Who says hes being undermined? Why would ling allow that? Come on please enlighten us all.

There was rumours that Webb and Fletcher have been rowing about tactics.

Give the job to Danny Webb . You know, somebody who's actually been coaching and managing these past few years .

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:30 pm Is this the worse start to a life as a manager we've ever had?

Absolutely.

Has Fletch lost the dressing room already?

The rumours from the Orient hour, the performances past culminating is such an abject display today. Something is seriously wrong, somewhere.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:47 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:30 pm Is this the worse start to a life as a manager we've ever had?

Absolutely.

How does it compare to Paul Went?

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:42 pm

cockhat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:14 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:07 pm Fletcher needs to go
Ling doesnt .

Ling needs to go, then we’ll see how Fletcher gets on.

Fletchers inability is f*ck all to do with Ling.
If it was Justin Edinburgh would have suffered a similar fete.

Now go away & stop being a numpty

Ling chose him. Ling has made in compulsory for any new manager to work with that coaching set up.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:42 pm

cockhat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:14 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:07 pm Fletcher needs to go
Ling doesnt .

Ling needs to go, then we’ll see how Fletcher gets on.

Fletchers inability is f*ck all to do with Ling.
If it was Justin Edinburgh would have suffered a similar fete.

Now go away & stop being a numpty

Fletcher was the best candidate according to the ‘master’!
Ling is the fuc-ing problem, the problem with you is that you are blinkered.
He was ok as a player, not very good as a manager and bloody useless as DOF.
I think referring to me as a numpty is pot and kettle.

cockhat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:07 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:42 pm

cockhat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:14 pm

Ling needs to go, then we’ll see how Fletcher gets on.

Fletchers inability is f*ck all to do with Ling.
If it was Justin Edinburgh would have suffered a similar fete.

Now go away & stop being a numpty

Fletcher was the best candidate according to the ‘master’!
Ling is the fuc-ing problem, the problem with you is that you are blinkered.
He was ok as a player, not very good as a manager and bloody useless as DOF.
I think referring to me as a numpty is pot and kettle.

Maybe he was & all the others were absolute poo poo
as well . If you dont know who was on the applicants list then STFU as all you are doing is speculating.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:58 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:42 pm

cockhat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:14 pm

Ling needs to go, then we’ll see how Fletcher gets on.

Fletchers inability is f*ck all to do with Ling.
If it was Justin Edinburgh would have suffered a similar fete.

Now go away & stop being a numpty

Ling chose him. Ling has made in compulsory for any new manager to work with that coaching set up.

So you are saying that Ross Danny jobi & the physios
And everybody else Employed at the club need to be sacked then ?

Where do we draw the line ?

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:45 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:01 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:58 pm Who says hes being undermined? Why would ling allow that? Come on please enlighten us all.

There was rumours that Webb and Fletcher have been rowing about tactics.

Give the job t Danny Webb . You know, somebody who's actually been coaching and managing these past few years .

Who has Webb managed?

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:11 pm

cockhat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:07 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:42 pm

Fletchers inability is f*ck all to do with Ling.
If it was Justin Edinburgh would have suffered a similar fete.

Now go away & stop being a numpty

Fletcher was the best candidate according to the ‘master’!
Ling is the fuc-ing problem, the problem with you is that you are blinkered.
He was ok as a player, not very good as a manager and bloody useless as DOF.
I think referring to me as a numpty is pot and kettle.

Maybe he was & all the others were absolute poo poo
as well . If you dont know who was on the applicants list then STFU as all you are doing is speculating.

Is that really the best you can come up with?
That’s so sad!
Ling recommended him!
“

Wasn’t in favour of the Fletcher appointment, but having got the job I said I’d back it and that he has to be given time. I also haven’t yet seen us play under Fletcher, so I don’t know if he’s trying to change the style (which will take time), hence am just going on reports and highlights, but he’s got off to a disastrous start, and today has to be the worst loss in my lifetime given M&T are four tiers below us. Will be at the Scunthorpe game and I expect a positive reaction from the team, that’s what should happen, whether it will is another thing. If we’re not in another Paul Went scenario, there has to be some improvement p.d.q.

As to Ling, have never really understood the need for a DoF at our level, it’s had pluses (e.g. stability/ JE) and minuses (e.g. Davis), but given what NT & KT have done for the club I’m not going to argue that one.

cockhat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:32 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:11 pm

cockhat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:07 pm
Fletcher was the best candidate according to the ‘master’!
Ling is the fuc-ing problem, the problem with you is that you are blinkered.
He was ok as a player, not very good as a manager and bloody useless as DOF.
I think referring to me as a numpty is pot and kettle.

Maybe he was & all the others were absolute poo poo
as well . If you dont know who was on the applicants list then STFU as all you are doing is speculating.

Is that really the best you can come up with?
That’s so sad!
Ling recommended him!
“

Ling reccomended him from the applicants .
Again do you know who the applicants were ?

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:29 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:45 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:01 pm
There was rumours that Webb and Fletcher have been rowing about tactics.

Give the job t Danny Webb . You know, somebody who's actually been coaching and managing these past few years .

Who has Webb managed?

Us for a spell during Beelzebub's last season. I thought Danny done well under very difficult circumstances

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:44 pm

cockhat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:32 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:11 pm

Maybe he was & all the others were absolute poo poo
as well . If you dont know who was on the applicants list then STFU as all you are doing is speculating.

Is that really the best you can come up with?
That’s so sad!
Ling recommended him!
“

Ling reccomended him from the applicants .
Again do you know who the applicants were ?

I’d be surprised if 39 were worse than him. But who knows, maybe he was the only one who drank coffee
Ans worshipped the messiah.
It was Lings recommendation and he’s Fuc-ed up again, just as he did when he appointed Davis.
That must tell you something is lacking in his judgement!

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:58 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:42 pm

cockhat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:14 pm

Ling needs to go, then we’ll see how Fletcher gets on.

Fletchers inability is f*ck all to do with Ling.
If it was Justin Edinburgh would have suffered a similar fete.

Now go away & stop being a numpty

Ling chose him. Ling has made in compulsory for any new manager to work with that coaching set up.

Russell might have done it considering he already knows our coaching staff .

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:44 pm

cockhat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:32 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:11 pm

Maybe he was & all the others were absolute poo poo
as well . If you dont know who was on the applicants list then STFU as all you are doing is speculating.

Is that really the best you can come up with?
That’s so sad!
Ling recommended him!
“

Ling reccomended him from the applicants .
Again do you know who the applicants were ?

No but I think Martin hinted they had much more managerial experience than Fletcher .

To be fair to Martin Ling he didn't offer Steve Davis the job. What Martin Ling did (as confirmed by Ling, Travis & Teague) is that he wittled down the applicants to a three man shortlist. Those three (Steve Davis, Teddy Sheringham & A N Other) were interviewed by Travis and Teague with Davis obviously getting the gig. The owners and Ling have also made clear that the CV's of the non-shortlisted candidates were always available to Teague & Travis. They weren't hidden or binned. If the three final candidates hadn't interviewed well then I imagine they'd have started looking through the CV's again to see who was next in line.

I can't help imagining you lot walking up and down the High Road with "The end of the World is nigh" on your sandwich board. It's a form of mass hysteria on this board. Freud would be fascinated.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:00 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:58 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:42 pm

Fletchers inability is f*ck all to do with Ling.
If it was Justin Edinburgh would have suffered a similar fete.

Now go away & stop being a numpty

Ling chose him. Ling has made in compulsory for any new manager to work with that coaching set up.

Russell might have done it considering he already knows our coaching staff .

Russell wont come this far south again to live in a flat at the ground
Do wake up to reality .

London is not the be all & end all of life.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:02 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:44 pm

cockhat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:32 pm

Is that really the best you can come up with?
That’s so sad!
Ling recommended him!
“

Ling reccomended him from the applicants .
Again do you know who the applicants were ?

No but I think Martin hinted they had much more experience than Fletcher .

Experience can mean those with a lesser percentage of wins than Fletcher also

Plenty of Sh*t managers are.out of work.

Please understand i dont want Fletcher here .

But as i said before the appointment when people were screaming for Campbell or Sean Derry or a few others , they have to want to come here .
Loads assume this is a good job & normally yes agreed.

But we lost JE , Conference league title winner who dies

How do you follow that ?

Good managers wont put there record up against that
Theyll wait for better opportunities.